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Winter blackout contingency planning
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Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:MattMattMattUK said:Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:Dolor said:Bear in mind that those of us in our 70s and older lived through the three day week. I recall that it was a very cold Winter. When I mentioned this to my late Mother she gently reminded me that she had lived through the 2nd World War blitz and the Germans didn’t provide any prior notification of power outages!
its about relative experience and comfort vs the relatively small cost of some basic things to make life more comfortable.
after a full days work (plus commute) on a cold wet winters day then sometimes all people really want is a hot drink/meal. winter is tiring and depressing for a lot of people. january and febuary can be entirely miserable months even without powercuts.
and there's a not small group of people who live entirely by electric (often living alone and in flats) so a badly timed power cut has the potential to make them a lot more miserable than people like us in our house with other people alternative cooking and heating and hobbies that dont require electric. those are the people who will benifit most from knowing what block they are in and thinking about what they can do now so if theres a power cut (or more than one) they can be more comfortable.
My parents remind me of the times they spend many nights in air raid shelters in the dark and cold but they survived and lived a long life.
Being prepared is half the battle with thing like this, having a plan means that unexpected power outages can be dealt with and are quite exciting when your emergency plans come into play.
Part of my job role involves planning for emergencies, had one this week when a tree fell on a powerline and resulted in an unexpected power outage to one of my offices. We had a plan, executed the plan, everything was ok.
people will survive for three hours without any planning or preps at all. they have an opportunity to plan to be more comfortable so why not take advantage of that to plan to do more than just 'survive'?
I don't consider a hot drink a priority.
Around half of the world's population have a shortage of water and the risk of dehydration. Being in the other half and being upset about your water not being hot is not a real problem.
powercuts arent likely but if i was still by myself in that flat then knowing i was expecting a power cut and knowing the caf by the station wouldn't be having one so i could make sure i had a £5 on me for something hot before heading home wouldn't be 'psychologically' a problem if i couldn't but would make my day better and more comfortable.
i'm really not understanding why some people think that's unreasonable?
Waking up the following day alive, well and safe is probably the priority for most people in this world.
If having a hot brew matters most to you then I'm totally lost on this one.so we've reached the passive aggressive insults part of the conversation have we?
what matters most to me is that my family are safe healthy and happy. mostly in that order. we agree these blackouts arent an emergency. so everyone is safe and healthy. so next priority is happy. and little unnecessary affordable things can make people happy (or happier). like cups of tea. so again i ask you why shouldn't someone plan to be able to have a hot drink if they can and it would make them more comfortable?
its very possible to care about people in bad situations around the world (and to support causes that help them) while at the same time understanding that you being unnesessarily uncomfortable does absolutely nothing to help them. the only benifit wearing a hair shirt can bring is by making the person wearing it feel virtuous.Almost everything will work again if you unplug it for a few minutes, including you. Anne Lamott
It's amazing how those with a can-do attitude and willingness to 'pitch in and work' get all the luck, isn't it?
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ariarnia said:Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:MattMattMattUK said:Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:Dolor said:Bear in mind that those of us in our 70s and older lived through the three day week. I recall that it was a very cold Winter. When I mentioned this to my late Mother she gently reminded me that she had lived through the 2nd World War blitz and the Germans didn’t provide any prior notification of power outages!
its about relative experience and comfort vs the relatively small cost of some basic things to make life more comfortable.
after a full days work (plus commute) on a cold wet winters day then sometimes all people really want is a hot drink/meal. winter is tiring and depressing for a lot of people. january and febuary can be entirely miserable months even without powercuts.
and there's a not small group of people who live entirely by electric (often living alone and in flats) so a badly timed power cut has the potential to make them a lot more miserable than people like us in our house with other people alternative cooking and heating and hobbies that dont require electric. those are the people who will benifit most from knowing what block they are in and thinking about what they can do now so if theres a power cut (or more than one) they can be more comfortable.
My parents remind me of the times they spend many nights in air raid shelters in the dark and cold but they survived and lived a long life.
Being prepared is half the battle with thing like this, having a plan means that unexpected power outages can be dealt with and are quite exciting when your emergency plans come into play.
Part of my job role involves planning for emergencies, had one this week when a tree fell on a powerline and resulted in an unexpected power outage to one of my offices. We had a plan, executed the plan, everything was ok.
people will survive for three hours without any planning or preps at all. they have an opportunity to plan to be more comfortable so why not take advantage of that to plan to do more than just 'survive'?
I don't consider a hot drink a priority.
Around half of the world's population have a shortage of water and the risk of dehydration. Being in the other half and being upset about your water not being hot is not a real problem.
powercuts arent likely but if i was still by myself in that flat then knowing i was expecting a power cut and knowing the caf by the station wouldn't be having one so i could make sure i had a £5 on me for something hot before heading home wouldn't be 'psychologically' a problem if i couldn't but would make my day better and more comfortable.
i'm really not understanding why some people think that's unreasonable?
Waking up the following day alive, well and safe is probably the priority for most people in this world.
If having a hot brew matters most to you then I'm totally lost on this one.so we've reached the passive aggressive insults part of the conversation have we?
what matters most to me is that my family are safe healthy and happy. mostly in that order. we agree these blackouts arent an emergency. so everyone is safe and healthy. so next priority is happy. and little affordable things make people happy (or happier). like cups of teaAgreed, then some easy steps can be taken to provide a contingency for a cup of tea. Camping equipment is often suggested but if it is a planned blackout then a thermos flask will do the job.its very possible to care about people in bad situations around the world (and to support causes that help them) while at the same time understanding that you being unnesessarily uncomfortable does absolutely nothing to help them. the only benifit wearing a hair shirt can bring is by making the person wearing it feel virtuous.
I'm not suggesting that at all, I live a very comfortable life every day, but under emergency circumstances such as an unplanned power cut them I'm happy to give up all of those comforts.
Maybe I'm different because my childhood included extensive power cuts and my family just got on with life without making a fuss?
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[Deleted User] said:ariarnia said:[Deleted User] said:ariarnia said:MattMattMattUK said:[Deleted User] said:ariarnia said:[Deleted User] said:ariarnia said:[Deleted User] said:ariarnia said:[Deleted User] said:ariarnia said:Dolor said:Bear in mind that those of us in our 70s and older lived through the three day week. I recall that it was a very cold Winter. When I mentioned this to my late Mother she gently reminded me that she had lived through the 2nd World War blitz and the Germans didn’t provide any prior notification of power outages!
its about relative experience and comfort vs the relatively small cost of some basic things to make life more comfortable.
after a full days work (plus commute) on a cold wet winters day then sometimes all people really want is a hot drink/meal. winter is tiring and depressing for a lot of people. january and febuary can be entirely miserable months even without powercuts.
and there's a not small group of people who live entirely by electric (often living alone and in flats) so a badly timed power cut has the potential to make them a lot more miserable than people like us in our house with other people alternative cooking and heating and hobbies that dont require electric. those are the people who will benifit most from knowing what block they are in and thinking about what they can do now so if theres a power cut (or more than one) they can be more comfortable.
My parents remind me of the times they spend many nights in air raid shelters in the dark and cold but they survived and lived a long life.
Being prepared is half the battle with thing like this, having a plan means that unexpected power outages can be dealt with and are quite exciting when your emergency plans come into play.
Part of my job role involves planning for emergencies, had one this week when a tree fell on a powerline and resulted in an unexpected power outage to one of my offices. We had a plan, executed the plan, everything was ok.
people will survive for three hours without any planning or preps at all. they have an opportunity to plan to be more comfortable so why not take advantage of that to plan to do more than just 'survive'?
I don't consider a hot drink a priority.
Around half of the world's population have a shortage of water and the risk of dehydration. Being in the other half and being upset about your water not being hot is not a real problem.
powercuts arent likely but if i was still by myself in that flat then knowing i was expecting a power cut and knowing the caf by the station wouldn't be having one so i could make sure i had a £5 on me for something hot before heading home wouldn't be 'psychologically' a problem if i couldn't but would make my day better and more comfortable.
i'm really not understanding why some people think that's unreasonable?
Waking up the following day alive, well and safe is probably the priority for most people in this world.
If having a hot brew matters most to you then I'm totally lost on this one.so we've reached the passive aggressive insults part of the conversation have we?
what matters most to me is that my family are safe healthy and happy. mostly in that order. we agree these blackouts arent an emergency. so everyone is safe and healthy. so next priority is happy. and little affordable things make people happy (or happier). like cups of teaAgreed, then some easy steps can be taken to provide a contingency for a cup of tea. Camping equipment is often suggested but if it is a planned blackout then a thermos flask will do the job.its very possible to care about people in bad situations around the world (and to support causes that help them) while at the same time understanding that you being unnesessarily uncomfortable does absolutely nothing to help them. the only benifit wearing a hair shirt can bring is by making the person wearing it feel virtuous.
I'm not suggesting that at all, I live a very comfortable life every day, but under emergency circumstances such as an unplanned power cut them I'm happy to give up all of those comforts.
Maybe I'm different because my childhood included extensive power cuts and my family just got on with life without making a fuss?
tho i wouldn't actually call unplanned powercuts 'emergencies' for most people personally (some people are reliant on medical equipment or similar and for them it would be an emergency). for me an emergency is something which is a risk to health or safety.
maybe i'm differnt from you because there have been not infrequent times in my life when i've had to go without comforts because i just couldnt afford them or had to prioritise other things to be able to keep getting to work or to keep feeding the meter?
which is why i see absolutely no point in someone being uncomfortable when they do have the choice and ability to be comfortable.
Almost everything will work again if you unplug it for a few minutes, including you. Anne Lamott
It's amazing how those with a can-do attitude and willingness to 'pitch in and work' get all the luck, isn't it?
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@[Deleted User] said: Maybe I'm different because my childhood included extensive power cuts and my family just got on with life without making a fussBut there does seem to be a fair amount of fuss here over the importance of a humble hot drink. It can be symbolic for comfort and stability in unusual times and therefore become elevated. So maybe we can all make preparations that are right for us whilst acknowledging other viewpoints and values will be different to our own.Lancashire
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MattMattMattUK said:Chrysalis said:I think the cuts will be hardest on those who are alone, as its far easier to deal with when you have people to talk to, play board games with etc. Hopefully I will have someone to be with if and when it happens, but if not I get power cuts most years anyway. I will take a nap.
If one cannot cope for three hours and find ways to stay entertained then there are far bigger issues than a few three hour power cuts.
Edit to add: I think such dire times as these, all single people should go to the pub during evening power cuts, it is the right thing to do to look out for your fellow singletons in a safe, warm, welcoming environment.
What about if you cant go to the pub or cant get there, or you have no power banks, no books, and no offline spotify? As odd as that may sound to you, your bubble doesnt necessarily represent everyone. Try to have more empathy.1 -
Auti said:I think for some people it might be concerns about safety from people who may wish to use the darkness for crime and in darkness sounds can be less easily identified so creaking due heating going off etc can be more anxiety inducing. Coupled with not being able to do self soothing behaviours like making a cup of tea, watching tv or moving around the house without worrying you might fall ( not get found, break your hip etc etc) will all add to the anxiety around loss of power. This will not just apply to the elderly - dark, when not of your choice can play tricks on anyones feeling of safety. Good neighbours perhaps could pre warn vulnerable households that the power would be going off in 15 mins and check suitable items were easily available. Just my thoughts
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ariarnia said:MattMattMattUK said:Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:Deleted_User said:ariarnia said:Dolor said:Bear in mind that those of us in our 70s and older lived through the three day week. I recall that it was a very cold Winter. When I mentioned this to my late Mother she gently reminded me that she had lived through the 2nd World War blitz and the Germans didn’t provide any prior notification of power outages!
its about relative experience and comfort vs the relatively small cost of some basic things to make life more comfortable.
after a full days work (plus commute) on a cold wet winters day then sometimes all people really want is a hot drink/meal. winter is tiring and depressing for a lot of people. january and febuary can be entirely miserable months even without powercuts.
and there's a not small group of people who live entirely by electric (often living alone and in flats) so a badly timed power cut has the potential to make them a lot more miserable than people like us in our house with other people alternative cooking and heating and hobbies that dont require electric. those are the people who will benifit most from knowing what block they are in and thinking about what they can do now so if theres a power cut (or more than one) they can be more comfortable.
My parents remind me of the times they spend many nights in air raid shelters in the dark and cold but they survived and lived a long life.
Being prepared is half the battle with thing like this, having a plan means that unexpected power outages can be dealt with and are quite exciting when your emergency plans come into play.
Part of my job role involves planning for emergencies, had one this week when a tree fell on a powerline and resulted in an unexpected power outage to one of my offices. We had a plan, executed the plan, everything was ok.
people will survive for three hours without any planning or preps at all. they have an opportunity to plan to be more comfortable so why not take advantage of that to plan to do more than just 'survive'?
I don't consider a hot drink a priority.
Around half of the world's population have a shortage of water and the risk of dehydration. Being in the other half and being upset about your water not being hot is not a real problem.
powercuts arent likely but if i was still by myself in that flat then knowing i was expecting a power cut and knowing the caf by the station wouldn't be having one so i could make sure i had a £5 on me for something hot before heading home wouldn't be 'psychologically' a problem if i couldn't but would make my day better and more comfortable.
i'm really not understanding why some people think that's unreasonable?
I think there might be the intricacies of the conversation being lost in text, I do not view a power cut as an "emergency situation" as some others on here seem to, but neither do I think that a three hour window is worth much effort to circumvent if one is an adult without children in the home. I am not going to spend money, or get stressed about mitigating factors. I can watch/read/play/listen to multiple forms of entertainment, I can eat food that does not need cooking, or just not eat, after all it is only three hours, if it is a bit gold I can put on a jumper, or keep my jacket on etc. or in a worst case scenario go to the pub, a friends house a family members house etc.
The part that I think is unreasonable and shows that some people might have bigger issues is those people who take the view that they will be unable to cope for a three hour window without a cup of tea or coffee, or that they are buying additional cooking equipment because the idea either not something which is hot in a three hour window is so upsetting to them. There are people on here who seem to want to spend hundreds of pounds to try and mitigate the very low probability of a three hour power cut whilst also complaining that they do not have enough money for essentials, that seems to me to be an illogical position.1 -
Chrysalis said:MattMattMattUK said:Chrysalis said:I think the cuts will be hardest on those who are alone, as its far easier to deal with when you have people to talk to, play board games with etc. Hopefully I will have someone to be with if and when it happens, but if not I get power cuts most years anyway. I will take a nap.
If one cannot cope for three hours and find ways to stay entertained then there are far bigger issues than a few three hour power cuts.
Edit to add: I think such dire times as these, all single people should go to the pub during evening power cuts, it is the right thing to do to look out for your fellow singletons in a safe, warm, welcoming environment.
What about if you cant go to the pub or cant get there, or you have no power banks, no books, and no offline spotify? As odd as that may sound to you, your bubble doesnt necessarily represent everyone. Try to have more empathy.0 -
General comment - not aimed at anyone specific:
If you are reasonably used to unplanned power cuts, they don't feel like any sort of emergency to most reasonably rational individuals with no specific power demanding needs such as medical equipment. If it's in the dark (and let's be honest, for maximum inconvenience they usually will be, and generally while you're cooking dinner too!) there's a moment of "aargh" where you grope for your phone, get the torch on, and then head straight for the emergency lighting provision and get that turned on. Then you switch off anything that will be problematic if left on and subsequently forgotten (allowing you don't knowhow long before the power comes back on again) and if you were previously doing something that relied on power then you switch to a non-energy reliant form of entertainment. (no sniggering at the back please). If it happens in daylight hours, then the switching off of anything problematic continues but you add in the switching ON of a table lamp or similar which will then tell you when the power comes back on again if by that time it's got dark.
The people who consider outages to be an "emergency situation" are very possibly those who aren't familiar with them - because yes, if you've grown up and always lived in a world where generally speaking the lights stay on, then it can be scary.
As said though - this thread was talking about the potential PLANNED outages that are a possibility for this winter. And for some folk, that is not only going to mean returning after work to a dark house, it's going to mean returning to a cold one too - in some cases where heating may have been substantially interrupted for consecutive days, possibly very cold. That in itself isn't a lot of fun. Add in the inability to help warm yourself up by - for example - having a hot shower, making a warm drink, and eating a hot meal - all things that many folk might do as standard after getting in from a long day at work followed by a chilly commute. Now while it's clear that there will always be some folk who will make a virtue out of discomfort - if it's possible by means of a small amount of planning to alleviate some of that discomfort and make life - gasp - a little more enjoyable without causing ANY discomfort or inconvenience to anyone else - maybe some on here need to ask themselves why precisely that is causing them so much angst that they are now ranting at other posters about it? How about - you do you - sit in the dark thinking how fortunate you were to wake up that morning. I'm with ariarnia though, I'll be using my USB lamp to read a book, or maybe doing something on my iPad thanks to my powerbank, with the meal that was in the slow cooker and is still hot because the power only went out an hour before I got home, a cup of hot chocolate from the flask I made up, and staying warm thanks to the nice fleecy throw I popped onto the sofa ready before I left that morning as I knew it was going to be cold when I got home (I'm one of those who consecutive day overnight outages are are potentially scheduled for my area would leave without much heating availability at all.)
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