Converting allocated parking to a garden.

Misthios

Bendy_House said:

There are two obvious reasons why putting up a fence/landscaping half the parking space might cheese folk off - one is the loss of a parking space, so if you have visitors parking on that roadway instead (look at your first photo - no-one else is on the road), that is pretty much guaranteed to annoy.

The other is a change to the 'streetview'. Again, if you look at that first photo, it all looks quite 'open'. Now imagine all the houses in that photo have fences around their fronts, covering half their parking slots - it will look and 'feel' quite different, I think. More hemmed-in. More insular. Less friendly.

I doubt you'll get a positive answer if you enquire about this beforehand, and there's probably a waaaay-less-than-half chance that you would 'get away' with it after you move in, so I wouldn't personally proceed if it's that important to you.

After you move in, and get to chat with the neighbs, if you then explain that you only have one car, and rarely any others turning up, and you wish to landscape half that area whilst keeping it open and low-fenced, and always ready for reconverting back to a parking slot, then they may say "That sounds cool..." and be prepared to not complain.

But I think you should buy only expecting - and being prepared to accept - the worst

I do like the earlier ideas, tho', of landscaping it in a way that it can still be parked over when needed. Coupled with some nice planting in easy-to-move pots (a contra in terms?), that could be acceptable? 'Could'. Even some lightweight screening - a couple of posts with this slung between them, which can be dropped in a few seconds to still allow parking on the second half?

But don't act without a neighbourly chat :-)

Thank you so much, that's really helpful and insightful. I totally agree with your point of view. Yes, I am not selfish and I want to have really good relations with my neighbours. 

Misthios

liberty_lily said:

Misthios said:

Basically they say, take this property but you won't be able to make changes or challenge the status quo and I am not referring to the parking space only. In that area, that building although its not a listed or period property, you can't even change the interior or the exterior of the property. Unbelievable for me but true.. This also explains why the rest of the terraced houses there look copied / pasted all the same. Even the doors and lights are all the same. Lesson learned. 

See my bit in bold....this wouldn't be a leasehold property, would it?

Freehold but the estate agent is not much of assistance, I ll download the deeds. 

eddddy

As some others have said...

The term "Allocated Parking" normally suggests that the parking space won't be owned you.

e.g. The developer owns all the land used for parking - and they have "allocated" 2 parking spaces to you, and "allocated" 2 parking spaces to each of your neighbours.

If that's the case, the developers (the owners of the land) can specify whatever rules they choose. So for example, they can make a rule that you can only use the parking spaces for parking.


You'll be able to find out for certain by downloading the title plan (for £3) from Land Registry.

Misthios

eddddy said:

As some others have said...

The term "Allocated Parking" normally suggests that the parking space won't be owned you.

e.g. The developer owns all the land used for parking - and they have "allocated" 2 parking spaces to you, and "allocated" 2 parking spaces to each of your neighbours.

If that's the case, the developers (the owners of the land) can specify whatever rules they choose. So for example, they can make a rule that you can only use the parking spaces for parking.


You'll be able to find out for certain by downloading the title plan (for £3) from Land Registry.

Thank you so much. I ll download it to have a look. I went online  yesterday and the Land Registry asked for 15 pounds to download the documents. I ll look again,maybe I went to the wrong section..

user1977

Misthios said:

eddddy said:

As some others have said...

The term "Allocated Parking" normally suggests that the parking space won't be owned you.

e.g. The developer owns all the land used for parking - and they have "allocated" 2 parking spaces to you, and "allocated" 2 parking spaces to each of your neighbours.

If that's the case, the developers (the owners of the land) can specify whatever rules they choose. So for example, they can make a rule that you can only use the parking spaces for parking.


You'll be able to find out for certain by downloading the title plan (for £3) from Land Registry.

Thank you so much. I ll download it to have a look. I went online  yesterday and the Land Registry asked for 15 pounds to download the documents. I ll look again,maybe I went to the wrong section..

Sounds more like you went to the wrong website - are you sure it wasn't one of the imposters who place adverts pretending to be the Land Registry? You want the .gov.uk site.

And once you get the titles, please tell us the wording of the covenant which you think prohibits people from changing the interior of the houses.

eddddy

Misthios said:

eddddy said:

As some others have said...

The term "Allocated Parking" normally suggests that the parking space won't be owned you.

e.g. The developer owns all the land used for parking - and they have "allocated" 2 parking spaces to you, and "allocated" 2 parking spaces to each of your neighbours.

If that's the case, the developers (the owners of the land) can specify whatever rules they choose. So for example, they can make a rule that you can only use the parking spaces for parking.


You'll be able to find out for certain by downloading the title plan (for £3) from Land Registry.

Thank you so much. I ll download it to have a look. I went online  yesterday and the Land Registry asked for 15 pounds to download the documents. I ll look again,maybe I went to the wrong section..

Here's a link that will let you click-through to the .gov.uk Land Registry search: https://www.gov.uk/search-property-information-land-registry

- where you should only be charged £3 for the title plan and £3 for the title register.

The title plan will show if you would actually own the parking spaces. The title register should show you any covenants.

(But it looks like the Land Registry site might be having a problem at the moment - with it's SSL certificate - so you might have to wait until it's fixed.)

Misthios

eddddy said:

Misthios said:

eddddy said:

As some others have said...

The term "Allocated Parking" normally suggests that the parking space won't be owned you.

e.g. The developer owns all the land used for parking - and they have "allocated" 2 parking spaces to you, and "allocated" 2 parking spaces to each of your neighbours.

If that's the case, the developers (the owners of the land) can specify whatever rules they choose. So for example, they can make a rule that you can only use the parking spaces for parking.


You'll be able to find out for certain by downloading the title plan (for £3) from Land Registry.

Thank you so much. I ll download it to have a look. I went online  yesterday and the Land Registry asked for 15 pounds to download the documents. I ll look again,maybe I went to the wrong section..

Here's a link that will let you click-through to the .gov.uk Land Registry search:

- where you should only be charged £3 for the title plan and £3 for the title register.

The title plan will show if you would actually own the parking spaces. The title register should show you any covenants.

(But it looks like the Land Registry site might be having a problem at the moment - with it's SSL certificate - so you might have to wait until it's fixed.)

Yes, I have experienced the same error right now no matter what browser, I am using. I ll try later and get back here with updates. Many Thanks for the info you have provided, appreciate it. 

Misthios

Hello everyone, I have an update. I just downloaded the title plan and the title register. So... it looks like that across the road I have another parking space or piece of land? Is it registered as land or as parking space. I can't really tell. Can you please assist me?

Title register for: Parking Space, (Freehold).

Entry number Entry date 1 1992-10-29 The Freehold land shown edged with red on the plan of the above Title filed at the Registry and being (at that address) and parking spaces. 2 1994-01-12 The land has the benefit of the rights granted by but is subject to the rights reserved by the Transfer dated 3 December 1993 referred to in the Charges Register. 3 1994-01-12 The Transfer dated 3 December 1993 referred to above contains a provision as to boundary structures. 

B: Proprietorship Register This register specifies the class of title and identifies the owner. It contains any entries that affect the right of disposal. Class of Title: Title absolute.

2018-10-09 RESTRICTION: No disposition by a sole proprietor of the registered estate (except a trust corporation) under which capital money arises is to be registered unless authorised by an order of the court.

C: Charges Register This register contains any charges and other matters that affect the land. Class of Title: Title absolute.

 Entry number Entry date 1 1994-01-12 A Transfer of the land in this title dated 3 December 1993 made between (1) ..... Services Limited and ..... contains restrictive covenants. ¬NOTE: Original filed.

And it stops right there. I don't understand what the restrictive covenants are? Are the spaces registered as parking or land? Can I develop, renovate the exterior and the interior as I want?

Many Thanks all of you.

Misthios

eddddy said:

Misthios said:

eddddy said:

As some others have said...

The term "Allocated Parking" normally suggests that the parking space won't be owned you.

e.g. The developer owns all the land used for parking - and they have "allocated" 2 parking spaces to you, and "allocated" 2 parking spaces to each of your neighbours.

If that's the case, the developers (the owners of the land) can specify whatever rules they choose. So for example, they can make a rule that you can only use the parking spaces for parking.


You'll be able to find out for certain by downloading the title plan (for £3) from Land Registry.

Thank you so much. I ll download it to have a look. I went online  yesterday and the Land Registry asked for 15 pounds to download the documents. I ll look again,maybe I went to the wrong section..

Here's a link that will let you click-through to the .gov.uk Land Registry search: 

- where you should only be charged £3 for the title plan and £3 for the title register.

The title plan will show if you would actually own the parking spaces. The title register should show you any covenants.

(But it looks like the Land Registry site might be having a problem at the moment - with it's SSL certificate - so you might have to wait until it's fixed.)

I just loaded the title register and title plan info. Can you please check when you get a chance and advise me? Many Thanks.

Misthios

user1977 said:

Misthios said:

eddddy said:

As some others have said...

The term "Allocated Parking" normally suggests that the parking space won't be owned you.

e.g. The developer owns all the land used for parking - and they have "allocated" 2 parking spaces to you, and "allocated" 2 parking spaces to each of your neighbours.

If that's the case, the developers (the owners of the land) can specify whatever rules they choose. So for example, they can make a rule that you can only use the parking spaces for parking.


You'll be able to find out for certain by downloading the title plan (for £3) from Land Registry.

Thank you so much. I ll download it to have a look. I went online  yesterday and the Land Registry asked for 15 pounds to download the documents. I ll look again,maybe I went to the wrong section..

Sounds more like you went to the wrong website - are you sure it wasn't one of the imposters who place adverts pretending to be the Land Registry? You want the .gov.uk site.

And once you get the titles, please tell us the wording of the covenant which you think prohibits people from changing the interior of the houses.

I just loaded the title register and title plan info. Can you please check when you get a chance and advise me? Many Thanks.