Need advice Holiday issue

JCS1

MalMonroe said:

You should still be allowed to have your holidays, whether or not anybody else is off sick. That's not your problem and your employer should pay for temporary cover if necessary.

You cannot be held responsible for the health of any of your colleagues, it's up to management to sort out that problem. In fact, it sounds to me as if they should have employed someone on a temporary basis to cover your colleague's duties in the first place. What does your contract say about covering for long-term sick colleagues? 

I'd be tempted to have a word with acas tomorrow, too. 

https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

The employer can dictate when an employee takes all their holidays, and can cancel if the necessary amount of notice is given.

Minimum staffing levels are a reason not to allow holidays.

GTR_King

Update I have spoken to my Assistant manager & manager of our section & campus manager politely expressing the need for that day off, due to moving & only Friday I can get help (mum) due to holidays & work etc, 

all they said is due to staffing & workload can only approve annual leave if that colleague is back (Due back Monday) & not Loads of jobs to do but shouldn’t be a problem you having it off if all good in the office,

All I am gonna do now is wait till my holiday is authorised or denied by my assistant manager next week. If denied gonna accept it & try ask for the Monday off (no one is off that day) 

so thanks for your replies 

MovingForwards

How much stuff have you actually got to move? 

Do you have a bed, sofa, white goods etc or is it things like TV, PC, books, clothes, kettle, pots and pans etc? The latter you can do on your own and over the weekend.

400ixl

MalMonroe said:

You should still be allowed to have your holidays, whether or not anybody else is off sick. That's not your problem and your employer should pay for temporary cover if necessary.

You cannot be held responsible for the health of any of your colleagues, it's up to management to sort out that problem. In fact, it sounds to me as if they should have employed someone on a temporary basis to cover your colleague's duties in the first place. What does your contract say about covering for long-term sick colleagues? 

I'd be tempted to have a word with acas tomorrow, too. 

https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

That is not correct and setting a wrong expectation with the OP. Any business has the right to deny or cancel holiday due to operational needs provided they follow the rules.

They can of course put in contract terms which remove their right to do so, but that would be extremely rare and a bit daft of the company to do it.

GTR_King

Our company policy states they can deny/refuse your holiday for operational needs/other staff on holiday/annual leave but states staff on long term sick are not counted for, so have to give a good reason when A/L is refused 

so for example if there is 2 staff members of staff off on said day, 1 annual leave 1 (Sick) it’s counted as 1 member of staff off & one who is sick not counted for just managers worrying the work not being done/complaints 

MovingForwards said:

How much stuff have you actually got to move? 

Do you have a bed, sofa, white goods etc or is it things like TV, PC, books, clothes, kettle, pots and pans etc? The latter you can do on your own and over the weekend.

Yess white goods bed Bedside tables small/medium cabinet 

that’s why I need 16th off 

we are really short staffed tomz & Monday (if staff not back from sick) as got 2 staff off (Pre planned) & 1 (Long term sick after others booked A/L)

Leaving only 2 in door staff. 

seems unfair they let them have their holiday whilst really shorty staffed was like that week of AUG 23rd when I was off sounded like they wanted me to cancel at the time but didn’t ask in the end 

But when I ask they say no seems like a joke 

but as I say we should be back to fully staffed from Tuesday & holiday approved 

elsien

400ixl said:

MalMonroe said:

You should still be allowed to have your holidays, whether or not anybody else is off sick. That's not your problem and your employer should pay for temporary cover if necessary.

You cannot be held responsible for the health of any of your colleagues, it's up to management to sort out that problem. In fact, it sounds to me as if they should have employed someone on a temporary basis to cover your colleague's duties in the first place. What does your contract say about covering for long-term sick colleagues? 

I'd be tempted to have a word with acas tomorrow, too. 

https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

That is not correct and setting a wrong expectation with the OP. Any business has the right to deny or cancel holiday due to operational needs provided they follow the rules.

They can of course put in contract terms which remove their right to do so, but that would be extremely rare and a bit daft of the company to do it.

Not for the first time, unfortunately. 

GTR_King

lol still no update on day off will try sort it out next week as staff member is back from sick leave (Hopefully) will find out Monday. 

so hopefully will be allowed it off.. 

Thanks for all the replies have a great weekend guys & girls 

GTR_King

Update 

Friday looking less likely due to staffing issues and staff member still off sick, 
so if Friday refused gonna politely ask for the Monday off, We fully staffed that day (Except for staff member off sick) but they said if too busy then no can do for day off, 

If that refused gonna keep politely asking work for a Friday or Monday off ASAP after the 16th/moved into the flat, as need a day to sort things out etc, 

They can't keep refusing my holiday requests just because they let us get bare short staffed 

General_Grant

GTR_King said:

Update 

Friday looking less likely due to staffing issues and staff member still off sick, 
so if Friday refused gonna politely ask for the Monday off, We fully staffed that day (Except for staff member off sick) but they said if too busy then no can do for day off, 

If that refused gonna keep politely asking work for a Friday or Monday off ASAP after the 16th/moved into the flat, as need a day to sort things out etc, 

They can't keep refusing my holiday requests just because they let us get bare short staffed 

Are you not moving to the time when you need to ask when you can take holiday?  They need to allow you to take your holiday before the end of the holiday year (December? for many it is March).  They can't prevent your taking it but, as you know, can tell you precisely when you can take it.

GTR_King

my holiday years is April-April 

Yeah I want/need a day off to sort out the flat etc which is reasonable request for a day off, as moving

but because of us being really busy & staff member off sick they reluctant to give me any holiday/annual leave till they are back which I feel Is unfair & could be a few weeks or longer 

my holiday years is April-April