And now the forecasters are saying the price cap could hit £6000

aoleks

very honest question: who are the people paying £5000/year in gas/elec? I'm asking because this is meant to be an average user, so some people will pay £in excess of £8-9000.

I am working from home, we use the TV in the evening, if we're in a room, all lights are on, heating is pretty much on 24/7 from Oct/Nov until at least end of March, we wash every day (1-2 rounds), dishwasher once a day + showers and a baby bath.

I paid £64 gas/elec last month and I'm on a standard tariff. I know winter is more, usually double, but it's still a galaxy away from the "average" price, even with current prices and our non economic lifestyle. from where the discrepancy?

is it really the case that some people are completely oblivious to their energy use are wasting hundreds every month? extremely old central heating and old school light bulbs? absolutely on insulation? heating on 25 degrees all winter?

what exactly is causing such tremendous amounts?

Aylesbury_Duck

Funkydrummer44 said:

It shouldn't be up to the British public to pay for the war in Ukraine.  This is the role of the government who need to step up and do something to reduce anxiety instead of letting the people suffer.

Ah, so your support for a beleaguered nation under attack from a malevolent superpower ends the moment your energy bills become difficult to afford.  I see.  What do you propose?  Just leave Ukraine to it and get back to buying Russian gas?

Who do you think should "pay for the war"?  Our government doesn't have its own money - it spends ours.  What do you think they should be doing to reduce anxiety, in the face of a global energy price rise?

pochase

Is the £64 a direct debit, or is it the bill?

If it is a summer month bill the average use will be most likely more £120. 

This £120 will go up by over 80% in October, now we are at £216 average. In January Auxilione predicts another 40% raise, so the £216 become £302, or over £3600 per year. That is low usage, but now that far of the £5000 as you believe. Just £120 difference per month.

What is your annual energy use in KWh for gas and electrcity?

aoleks

pochase said:

Is the £64 a direct debit, or is it the bill?

If it is a summer month bill the average use will be most likely more £120. 

This £120 will go up by over 80% in October, now we are at £216 average. In January Auxilione predicts another 40% raise, so the £216 become £302, or over £3600 per year. That is low usage, but now that far of the £5000 as you believe. Just £120 difference per month.

What is your annual energy use in KWh for gas and electrcity?

that's the bill, we always provide a reading on the last day of the month and so the bill is always reflective of what we use.

electricity between December last year and August is around 1600KWh. gas for the same period is around 8800KWh.

we usually ask for quotes on 9000kwh gas and 4000kwh elec per year. but this is a lot, like I said, heating is literally on non-stop for 5 months a year.

QrizB

aoleks said:

electricity between December last year and August is around 1600KWh. gas for the same period is around 8800KWh.

You are a realtovely low iser.

On the current SVT, that consumption will cost around £1400/yr.

From October, if the cap works out as the predictions suggest, it will cost around £2500/yr.

Woolsery

Aylesbury_Duck said:

Funkydrummer44 said:

It shouldn't be up to the British public to pay for the war in Ukraine.  This is the role of the government who need to step up and do something to reduce anxiety instead of letting the people suffer.

Ah, so your support for a beleaguered nation under attack from a malevolent superpower ends the moment your energy bills become difficult to afford.  I see.  What do you propose?  Just leave Ukraine to it and get back to buying Russian gas?

As long ago as 2008 US intelligence warned that trying to edge Ukraine into NATO was a red line that shouldn't be crossed. It's similar to the Cuban missile crisis in that respect, though there's a wealth of other complexities and wrongs on both sides.

Personally, I don't see anything good coming for the average Ukranian from throwing ever more weapons and money at an unwinnable war.

Funkydrummer44

Aylesbury_Duck said:

Funkydrummer44 said:

It shouldn't be up to the British public to pay for the war in Ukraine.  This is the role of the government who need to step up and do something to reduce anxiety instead of letting the people suffer.

Ah, so your support for a beleaguered nation under attack from a malevolent superpower ends the moment your energy bills become difficult to afford.  I see.  What do you propose?  Just leave Ukraine to it and get back to buying Russian gas?

Who do you think should "pay for the war"?  Our government doesn't have its own money - it spends ours.  What do you think they should be doing to reduce anxiety, in the face of a global energy price rise?

I didn't see bills rise when the government threw billions at covid and furlough, did you?

xeny

Funkydrummer44 said:

It shouldn't be up to the British public to pay for the war in Ukraine.  This is the role of the government who need to step up and do something to reduce anxiety instead of letting the people suffer.

If you look at historic pricing and news from last year, the war in Ukraine is but a part of the problem This FT story is just over a year old warning of price/supply issues. 

https://twitter.com/OilSheppard/status/1562067732807532547

Funkydrummer44

Funkydrummer44 said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

Funkydrummer44 said:

It shouldn't be up to the British public to pay for the war in Ukraine.  This is the role of the government who need to step up and do something to reduce anxiety instead of letting the people suffer.

Ah, so your support for a beleaguered nation under attack from a malevolent superpower ends the moment your energy bills become difficult to afford.  I see.  What do you propose?  Just leave Ukraine to it and get back to buying Russian gas?

Who do you think should "pay for the war"?  Our government doesn't have its own money - it spends ours.  What do you think they should be doing to reduce anxiety, in the face of a global energy price rise?

I didn't see bills rise when the government threw billions at covid and furlough, did you?

And btw, Europe is still buying Russian gas at least as much as Russia allows.  There are plenty of people and companies making an absolute killing due to the war.  The oil and gas companies for one and the government (due to the tax on higher oil and gas prices) for another.  

Aylesbury_Duck

Funkydrummer44 said:

Aylesbury_Duck said:

Funkydrummer44 said:

It shouldn't be up to the British public to pay for the war in Ukraine.  This is the role of the government who need to step up and do something to reduce anxiety instead of letting the people suffer.

Ah, so your support for a beleaguered nation under attack from a malevolent superpower ends the moment your energy bills become difficult to afford.  I see.  What do you propose?  Just leave Ukraine to it and get back to buying Russian gas?

Who do you think should "pay for the war"?  Our government doesn't have its own money - it spends ours.  What do you think they should be doing to reduce anxiety, in the face of a global energy price rise?

I didn't see bills rise when the government threw billions at covid and furlough, did you?

Where do you think those billions came from?