Fault at roundabout

DB1904

daveyjp said:

[Deleted User] said:

Jaybee_16 said:

If there are three exits and the one you are referring to is exit two, then either lane on approach is correct. 

No. The HC says
"When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise ... signal right and approach in the right-hand lane"

It does, but you also need to consider signage and road markings which may advise otherwise.

Near me I have a three lane approach roundabout.  Left lane for left and straight, middle for straight and right, right for right.  A number of motorway exits and interchanges also mark the road as left hand lane for turning right.

Didn't Car 54 say that?

user1977

The_Unready said:

There's a similar roundabout near me that always causes me consternation:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2091535,-2.3150437,3a,75y,180h,90.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbfCcxP6OFI8FR3ZMlGUQtA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Note the green road sign on the approach, which shows exits at 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock.

There are two lanes going into the roundabout but only one lane at both of the exits.

The 11 o'clock exit is straightforward - left hand lane. But the 1 o'clock exit is used by cars from both the LH and RH approach lanes, making it a bit of a free for all. As a previous poster said, you really need to have your wits about you!

As the 1 o'clock exit is "continuing on the main route" I would be inclined to treat that as "straight on". I agree the marking/signage doesn't really emphasise that though!

Car_54

user1977 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Jaybee_16 said:

If there are three exits and the one you are referring to is exit two, then either lane on approach is correct. 

No. The HC says
"When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise ... signal right and approach in the right-hand lane"

The HC isn't too prescriptive about where "right" starts - it does talk about "any intermediate exit", and in this sort of situation where the second exit is (roughly) straight on I think either lane is fine.

Right starts immediately after "straight ahead", i.e. 1 o'clock is right, 12 o'clock isn't.

Car_54

daveyjp said:

[Deleted User] said:

Jaybee_16 said:

If there are three exits and the one you are referring to is exit two, then either lane on approach is correct. 

No. The HC says
"When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise ... signal right and approach in the right-hand lane"

It does, but you also need to consider signage and road markings which may advise otherwise.

Maybe that's why the HC says exactly that ...

Car_54

user1977 said:

The_Unready said:

There's a similar roundabout near me that always causes me consternation:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.2091535,-2.3150437,3a,75y,180h,90.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbfCcxP6OFI8FR3ZMlGUQtA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Note the green road sign on the approach, which shows exits at 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock.

There are two lanes going into the roundabout but only one lane at both of the exits.

The 11 o'clock exit is straightforward - left hand lane. But the 1 o'clock exit is used by cars from both the LH and RH approach lanes, making it a bit of a free for all. As a previous poster said, you really need to have your wits about you!

As the 1 o'clock exit is "continuing on the main route" I would be inclined to treat that as "straight on". I agree the marking/signage doesn't really emphasise that though!

But the whole point of a roundabout is that all the roads have the same status: there is no "main route"

user1977

[Deleted User] said:

user1977 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Jaybee_16 said:

If there are three exits and the one you are referring to is exit two, then either lane on approach is correct. 

No. The HC says
"When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise ... signal right and approach in the right-hand lane"

The HC isn't too prescriptive about where "right" starts - it does talk about "any intermediate exit", and in this sort of situation where the second exit is (roughly) straight on I think either lane is fine.

Right starts immediately after "straight ahead", i.e. 1 o'clock is right, 12 o'clock isn't.

Then what does it mean by "intermediate" exits (as opposed to "left" and "right")? If it meant only those bang on 12 o'clock, it's a strange way to phrase it.

The_Unready

The decision of which entry lane to use for the 1 o'clock exit in the example I posted seems to be fairly random for most drivers (in my experience).

It would be helpful if the council could add some lane markers so that everybody knew which lane to select (although the collision stats at that roundabout may not back up my concerns - I haven't looked them up).

Car_54

user1977 said:

[Deleted User] said:

user1977 said:

[Deleted User] said:

Jaybee_16 said:

If there are three exits and the one you are referring to is exit two, then either lane on approach is correct. 

No. The HC says
"When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise ... signal right and approach in the right-hand lane"

The HC isn't too prescriptive about where "right" starts - it does talk about "any intermediate exit", and in this sort of situation where the second exit is (roughly) straight on I think either lane is fine.

Right starts immediately after "straight ahead", i.e. 1 o'clock is right, 12 o'clock isn't.

Then what does it mean by "intermediate" exits (as opposed to "left" and "right")? If it meant only those bang on 12 o'clock, it's a strange way to phrase it.

Agreed the phrasing could be better.

There could be 2 or 3 exits to the left, and possibly one straight ahead. Every one after the first is intermediate.

molerat

The_Unready said:

The decision of which entry lane to use for the 1 o'clock exit in the example I posted seems to be fairly random for most drivers (in my experience).

It would be helpful if the council could add some lane markers so that everybody knew which lane to select (although the collision stats at that roundabout may not back up my concerns - I haven't looked them up).

From my experience a big green sign and big white arrows painted on the road isn't clear enough for many though.

EssexExile

Whenever negotiating a roundabout expect other drivers to do daft things and drive accordingly.