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Looking for the smallest dipped beam UK compliant headlight.
I am making an electric moped to pass the MSVA test.
I only need dipped beam. I don't mind if it has high beam as well.
But I would like the smallest footprint and diameter of lens I can buy.
This guy says this is the smallest one available
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/391823934197
These were fitted to Fiat Ducato & Mercedes Sprinter 3-T.
And this one was fitted to smart Roadsters Dipped beam only.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361562677324
60mm for a John Deere buggy road legal dipped beam only.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/392319312270
And ideas for how I might go about housing it in a case for mounting on the bike?
Anyway this lamp is not designed for a motorbike is not ticking all the boxes, any better ideas?
The MSVA handbook says you can present your vehicle with lamps masked off which is fine... but, does anyone know for a daylight only MOT whether you are allowed to remove the lamps or is masking off the only option? I'm only thinking of my options of possibly removing it after it has its MAC Ministerial Approval Certificate.
I only need dipped beam. I don't mind if it has high beam as well.
But I would like the smallest footprint and diameter of lens I can buy.
This guy says this is the smallest one available
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/391823934197
These were fitted to Fiat Ducato & Mercedes Sprinter 3-T.
And this one was fitted to smart Roadsters Dipped beam only.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/361562677324
60mm for a John Deere buggy road legal dipped beam only.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/392319312270
And ideas for how I might go about housing it in a case for mounting on the bike?
Anyway this lamp is not designed for a motorbike is not ticking all the boxes, any better ideas?
The MSVA handbook says you can present your vehicle with lamps masked off which is fine... but, does anyone know for a daylight only MOT whether you are allowed to remove the lamps or is masking off the only option? I'm only thinking of my options of possibly removing it after it has its MAC Ministerial Approval Certificate.
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You can get smaller but the issue maybe the lack of an E mark. Plenty of shape options also, Round, square or even oval shapes.
Housing is easy, find someone with a 3D printer or get one yourself they can be bought cheaply now and
you can easily resell it after you have made your part. Or make a mould from wood and use fibreglass or carbon fibre etc.Censorship Reigns Supreme in Troll City...1 -
xxxxxxxx said:The MSVA handbook says you can present your vehicle with lamps masked off which is fine... but, does anyone know for a daylight only MOT whether you are allowed to remove the lamps or is masking off the only option? I'm only thinking of my options of possibly removing it after it has its MAC Ministerial Approval Certificate.
Incidentally, there was no such thing as a 'daylight' MoT - the certificate was identical to a normal one, but the tester advised that the vehicle should not be used after dark or in poor visibility such as fog. I can't remember if this was added to the cert as a rider or whether it was just verbal. It all seemed very relaxed.
I'm sure things have changed, as this was in 2003, but it may be of interest.If someone is nice to you but rude to the waiter, they are not a nice person.0 -
Richard53 said:xxxxxxxx said:The MSVA handbook says you can present your vehicle with lamps masked off which is fine... but, does anyone know for a daylight only MOT whether you are allowed to remove the lamps or is masking off the only option? I'm only thinking of my options of possibly removing it after it has its MAC Ministerial Approval Certificate.
Incidentally, there was no such thing as a 'daylight' MoT - the certificate was identical to a normal one, but the tester advised that the vehicle should not be used after dark or in poor visibility such as fog. I can't remember if this was added to the cert as a rider or whether it was just verbal. It all seemed very relaxed.
I'm sure things have changed, as this was in 2003, but it may be of interest.
Contradictory to what he actually told you taping over a light doesn't remove it so therefore it should work as it's fitted.0 -
As I said it was a while ago and I know things have tightened up since then, but it's certainly not folklore. I remember the conversations I had with the tester quite clearly.If someone is nice to you but rude to the waiter, they are not a nice person.0
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Richard53 said:As I said it was a while ago and I know things have tightened up since then, but it's certainly not folklore. I remember the conversations I had with the tester quite clearly.0
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Here's an extract from a letter from VOSA to a forum member, dated 2010:
"A daylight MOT would require a motorbike to have a horn and a rear registration plate.
The testing guidelines state that motorbikes can be exempt from having lamps tested if they meet the following criteria:-
machines which have neither front nor rear position lamps, or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are:-- only used in daylight hours
- not used in times of serious reduced visibility
The following items/lamps are not required to be tested in order for a MOT to pass a daylight MOT test as long as they meet the criteria above.- Front and Rear position lamps
- Headlamps
- Stop Lamps
- Rear Reflectors
- Direction Indicators"
If someone is nice to you but rude to the waiter, they are not a nice person.0 -
Richard53 said:Here's an extract from a letter from VOSA to a forum member, dated 2010:
"A daylight MOT would require a motorbike to have a horn and a rear registration plate.
The testing guidelines state that motorbikes can be exempt from having lamps tested if they meet the following criteria:-
machines which have neither front nor rear position lamps, or have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked that are:-- only used in daylight hours
- not used in times of serious reduced visibility
The following items/lamps are not required to be tested in order for a MOT to pass a daylight MOT test as long as they meet the criteria above.- Front and Rear position lamps
- Headlamps
- Stop Lamps
- Rear Reflectors
- Direction Indicators"
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Testers seem to interpret/apply the legislation in very different ways - I hade a car fail on "Offside obligatory indirect vision device missing) because there wasn't a sun visor fitted on the drivers side - this had never been mentioned in any of the 20+ previous MOT's whilst I had owned the car, but this tester was absolutely adamant and completely aghast that such a dangerous issue had been missed by so many previous testers.0
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I found the smallest headlight available. These scooters are road legal therefore the headlight must have passed.
https://viperscooters.com/product/uberscoot-1000w-48v-electric-road-legal-scooter/
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002346604419.html
It is perfect and even incorporates a horn.
Re MOT: A 2 wheeled moped is not required to have a front position light (sidelight) for the MSVA. Dipped beam is the only requirement for the front. Rear position & stop light are obligatory.
Richard53, I would say your tester was wrong. Fitted stop lamps must be tested, (yes). Taped over stop lamps are classed as not fitted, (probably). But there is no rule that says fitted & working stop lights cannot be present and tested if there are no front and rear position lights.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/4-lamps-reflectors-and-electrical-equipment#section-4-3-1
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