Accident - who's fault

DB1904

[Deleted User] said:

facade said:

[Deleted User] said:

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

shane2k said:

they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them

... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.

Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road".  The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage.  Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.

Incredible.
Are you saying you can't reverse park?...

See my previous post.

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

shane2k said:

they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them

... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.

Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road".  The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage.  Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.

... There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to....

Can you please point me to this law about reversing in a one-way street and explain what is unclear or "woolly" about it?

The Highway Code states that "you must not reverse your vehicle further than necessary", which is also backed up in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.

I hope it is now very clear about what I was IE The law is 'woolly' as the above is open to interpretation by the said officer.

So, what part of ""Vehicular traffic must proceed in the direction indicated by the arrow" do you find woolly, or open to (mis)interpretation?

proceed.

everybody knows what it means, except they don't, and it isn't defined in the HC.

If you are manoeuvring to park, are you proceeding? Does proceed just mean "move forward", "move in a particular direction" or does it mean "travel"?

I would think that by now there would be legal precedents as to what proceed means though.

My lawyer friends tell me that in the absence of a specific legal definition, a judge will reach for a dictionary. Thus "proceed" usually means "to move forward or travel in a particular direction". or similar.

Also, there may be a legal precedent. The meaning of a red light in law is "vehicular traffic must not proceed beyond the stop line", and that seems to be universally applied to moving forward. I've never heard of anyone being convicted for reversing over the stop line.

Is that what the dictionary says or does that suit your argument?

Car_54

DB1904 said:

[Deleted User] said:

facade said:

[Deleted User] said:

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

shane2k said:

they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them

... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.

Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road".  The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage.  Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.

Incredible.
Are you saying you can't reverse park?...

See my previous post.

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

shane2k said:

they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them

... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.

Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road".  The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage.  Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.

... There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to....

Can you please point me to this law about reversing in a one-way street and explain what is unclear or "woolly" about it?

The Highway Code states that "you must not reverse your vehicle further than necessary", which is also backed up in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.

I hope it is now very clear about what I was IE The law is 'woolly' as the above is open to interpretation by the said officer.

So, what part of ""Vehicular traffic must proceed in the direction indicated by the arrow" do you find woolly, or open to (mis)interpretation?

proceed.

everybody knows what it means, except they don't, and it isn't defined in the HC.

If you are manoeuvring to park, are you proceeding? Does proceed just mean "move forward", "move in a particular direction" or does it mean "travel"?

I would think that by now there would be legal precedents as to what proceed means though.

My lawyer friends tell me that in the absence of a specific legal definition, a judge will reach for a dictionary. Thus "proceed" usually means "to move forward or travel in a particular direction". or similar.

Also, there may be a legal precedent. The meaning of a red light in law is "vehicular traffic must not proceed beyond the stop line", and that seems to be universally applied to moving forward. I've never heard of anyone being convicted for reversing over the stop line.

Is that what the dictionary says or does that suit your argument?

Yes, it suits my argument!
But there is no “the” dictionary. I suspect an English judge would use the Oxford English Diictionary, which isn’t available online. The Concise version of it says “move forward”.

No doubt someone will ask for an definition of “forward”!

Manxman_in_exile

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

shane2k said:

they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them

... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.

Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road".  The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage.  Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.

Incredible.
Are you saying you can't reverse park?...

See my previous post.

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

shane2k said:

they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them

... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.

Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road".  The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage.  Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.

... There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to....

Can you please point me to this law about reversing in a one-way street and explain what is unclear or "woolly" about it?

Thanks for your follow up question. It's not just you, people I know are confused about one way dtreets and reversing as they do not read the Highway Code.

The highway code is PART of the law and that is a fact, EG, officer catches you doing 32mph in a 30mph road they could pull you over and even charge you, ok!

Now about reversing, the above applies -  someone reversing other than parallel parking and an officer of the law see them, they could pull them over and even charge them for driving without due care and attention

The highway code

The Highway Code states that "you must not reverse your vehicle further than necessary", which is also backed up in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.

I hope it is now very clear about what I was IE The law is 'woolly' as the above is open to interpretation by the said officer.

If you still think I'm wrong, try it when an officer is around as see if they pull you up - personally, I would not as it's breaking the law other than what I've stated here.

If you are still disagreeing, I apologise but there is nothing more to add. other than if i was reversing up a one way street other than as mentioned above and I got pulled over, IMO I'd deserve a ticket/fine.  What is the point of having a one-way street when Joe is allowed to reverse 4 car back and or back on to the main road if they noted their error aka driving without 'due care and attention.'



Have a nice day.

What law are you referring to allowing you to travel in the wrong direction along a one-way street?

   

Have a nice day yourself!

[Deleted User] said:

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

shane2k said:

they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them

... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.

Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road".  The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage.  Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.

Incredible.
Are you saying you can't reverse park?
There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to

OP, along with my previous posts, I'm also assuming you would have sounded your horn.

Have a nice day.

What law do you have in mind? The only one I'm aware of says "Vehicular traffic must proceed in the direction indicated by the arrow". Nothing woolly about that.
[Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, s106]

DB1904 said:

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

shane2k said:

they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them

... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.

Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road".  The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage.  Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.

Incredible.
Are you saying you can't reverse park?...

See my previous post.

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

shane2k said:

they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them

... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.

Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road".  The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage.  Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.

... There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to....

Can you please point me to this law about reversing in a one-way street and explain what is unclear or "woolly" about it?

Thanks for your follow up question. It's not just you, people I know are confused about one way dtreets and reversing as they do not read the Highway Code.

The highway code is PART of the law and that is a fact, EG, officer catches you doing 32mph in a 30mph road they could pull you over and even charge you, ok!

Now about reversing, the above applies -  someone reversing other than parallel parking and an officer of the law see them, they could pull them over and even charge them for driving without due care and attention

The highway code

The Highway Code states that "you must not reverse your vehicle further than necessary", which is also backed up in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.

I hope it is now very clear about what I was IE The law is 'woolly' as the above is open to interpretation by the said officer.

If you still think I'm wrong, try it when an officer is around as see if they pull you up - personally, I would not as it's breaking the law other than what I've stated here.

If you are still disagreeing, I apologise but there is nothing more to add. other than if i was reversing up a one way street other than as mentioned above and I got pulled over, IMO I'd deserve a ticket/fine.  What is the point of having a one-way street when Joe is allowed to reverse 4 car back and or back on to the main road if they noted their error aka driving without 'due care and attention.'



Have a nice day.

How can that be a fact when it's not even true?

[Deleted User] said:

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

shane2k said:

they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them

... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.

Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road".  The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage.  Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.

Incredible.
Are you saying you can't reverse park?...

See my previous post.

diystarter7 said:

Manxman_in_exile said:

diystarter7 said:

shane2k said:

they at fault as you should only reverse if safe to do so but if you no dash camera then they could say you drove into them

... Btw, I'm sure there is no law saying you can't reverse in a one-way road and if there is it must be woolly.

Of course there is no law saying "you can't reverse in a one-way road".  The law says you can only travel in one specified direction along a one-way road, in accordance with the signage.  Whether you are reversing or not is immaterial so long as you are travelling in the permitted direction.

... There is a law re reversing in a one way but as I clearly stated that is woolly.
I've made my point very clear and I'll let you pick and choose bits you may want to respond to....

Can you please point me to this law about reversing in a one-way street and explain what is unclear or "woolly" about it?

The Highway Code states that "you must not reverse your vehicle further than necessary", which is also backed up in the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.

I hope it is now very clear about what I was IE The law is 'woolly' as the above is open to interpretation by the said officer.

So, what part of ""Vehicular traffic must proceed in the direction indicated by the arrow" do you find woolly, or open to (mis)interpretation?

PS - @diystarter7 -  which car is flashier/classier?