Likely Police Action?

DB1904

Sandtree said:

Your only issue is if its a cloned plates other than that its a straightforward insurance claim given you have two independent witnesses. In most cases the civil matter of liability is resolved long before any criminal matters are and "being arrested under the suspicion of..." doesn't count for anything, its only convictions that do.

The police simply dont have time and resources to deal with every minor case of littering, vandalism, non-injury RTA etc. At best they will send a producer to the owner of the vehicle and nothing else will come of it. I had the opposite happen where I did give my details to the third party who hit our stationary car (though they claimed we were both moving) and subsequently got a producer saying I'd failed to stop. Local nick took my details, didn't want any form of statement from me but did laugh at the pictures that I'd brought along to show I had clearly stopped at the scene. 

Unless they are incompetent they won't.  

If the registered keeper has insurance, licence and mot which are all on their systems, they shouldn't abuse the HO/RT1 system. 

They should however send a 172 notice which may include a NIP.

Jumblebumble

DB1904 said:

Sandtree said:

Your only issue is if its a cloned plates other than that its a straightforward insurance claim given you have two independent witnesses. In most cases the civil matter of liability is resolved long before any criminal matters are and "being arrested under the suspicion of..." doesn't count for anything, its only convictions that do.

The police simply dont have time and resources to deal with every minor case of littering, vandalism, non-injury RTA etc. At best they will send a producer to the owner of the vehicle and nothing else will come of it. I had the opposite happen where I did give my details to the third party who hit our stationary car (though they claimed we were both moving) and subsequently got a producer saying I'd failed to stop. Local nick took my details, didn't want any form of statement from me but did laugh at the pictures that I'd brought along to show I had clearly stopped at the scene. 

Unless they are incompetent they won't.  

If the registered keeper has insurance, licence and mot which are all on their systems, they shouldn't abuse the HO/RT1 system. 

They should however send a 172 notice which may include a NIP.

How do the police identify the owner?
( They can contact the keeper who may or may not be the owner)
If the car is a pool car then the OP is out of luck

Car_54

Jumblebumble said:

DB1904 said:

Sandtree said:

Your only issue is if its a cloned plates other than that its a straightforward insurance claim given you have two independent witnesses. In most cases the civil matter of liability is resolved long before any criminal matters are and "being arrested under the suspicion of..." doesn't count for anything, its only convictions that do.

The police simply dont have time and resources to deal with every minor case of littering, vandalism, non-injury RTA etc. At best they will send a producer to the owner of the vehicle and nothing else will come of it. I had the opposite happen where I did give my details to the third party who hit our stationary car (though they claimed we were both moving) and subsequently got a producer saying I'd failed to stop. Local nick took my details, didn't want any form of statement from me but did laugh at the pictures that I'd brought along to show I had clearly stopped at the scene. 

Unless they are incompetent they won't.  

If the registered keeper has insurance, licence and mot which are all on their systems, they shouldn't abuse the HO/RT1 system. 

They should however send a 172 notice which may include a NIP.

How do the police identify the owner?
( They can contact the keeper who may or may not be the owner)
If the car is a pool car then the OP is out of luck

They don't need to identify the owner. The Registered Keeper is required to nominate the driver.

In the case of a pool car, the business should be keeping a log of drivers (or at least keepers).. If they have not  then the business and/or its directors may be prosecuted.

DB1904

[Deleted User] said:

Jumblebumble said:

DB1904 said:

Sandtree said:

Your only issue is if its a cloned plates other than that its a straightforward insurance claim given you have two independent witnesses. In most cases the civil matter of liability is resolved long before any criminal matters are and "being arrested under the suspicion of..." doesn't count for anything, its only convictions that do.

The police simply dont have time and resources to deal with every minor case of littering, vandalism, non-injury RTA etc. At best they will send a producer to the owner of the vehicle and nothing else will come of it. I had the opposite happen where I did give my details to the third party who hit our stationary car (though they claimed we were both moving) and subsequently got a producer saying I'd failed to stop. Local nick took my details, didn't want any form of statement from me but did laugh at the pictures that I'd brought along to show I had clearly stopped at the scene. 

Unless they are incompetent they won't.  

If the registered keeper has insurance, licence and mot which are all on their systems, they shouldn't abuse the HO/RT1 system. 

They should however send a 172 notice which may include a NIP.

How do the police identify the owner?
( They can contact the keeper who may or may not be the owner)
If the car is a pool car then the OP is out of luck

They don't need to identify the owner. The Registered Keeper is required to nominate the driver.

In the case of a pool car, the business should be keeping a log of drivers (or at least keepers).. If they have not  then the business and/or its directors may be prosecuted.

Not if it's the other sort of pool car, then the OP is out of luck.

One passed amongst a criminal network and disposed of when it's drawn too much attention. 

DB1904

Jumblebumble said:

DB1904 said:

Sandtree said:

Your only issue is if its a cloned plates other than that its a straightforward insurance claim given you have two independent witnesses. In most cases the civil matter of liability is resolved long before any criminal matters are and "being arrested under the suspicion of..." doesn't count for anything, its only convictions that do.

The police simply dont have time and resources to deal with every minor case of littering, vandalism, non-injury RTA etc. At best they will send a producer to the owner of the vehicle and nothing else will come of it. I had the opposite happen where I did give my details to the third party who hit our stationary car (though they claimed we were both moving) and subsequently got a producer saying I'd failed to stop. Local nick took my details, didn't want any form of statement from me but did laugh at the pictures that I'd brought along to show I had clearly stopped at the scene. 

Unless they are incompetent they won't.  

If the registered keeper has insurance, licence and mot which are all on their systems, they shouldn't abuse the HO/RT1 system. 

They should however send a 172 notice which may include a NIP.

How do the police identify the owner?
( They can contact the keeper who may or may not be the owner)
If the car is a pool car then the OP is out of luck

Ask Sandtree, you two are the only ones talking about the owner. 

Diver2

Jumblebumble said:

DB1904 said:

Sandtree said:

Your only issue is if its a cloned plates other than that its a straightforward insurance claim given you have two independent witnesses. In most cases the civil matter of liability is resolved long before any criminal matters are and "being arrested under the suspicion of..." doesn't count for anything, its only convictions that do.

The police simply dont have time and resources to deal with every minor case of littering, vandalism, non-injury RTA etc. At best they will send a producer to the owner of the vehicle and nothing else will come of it. I had the opposite happen where I did give my details to the third party who hit our stationary car (though they claimed we were both moving) and subsequently got a producer saying I'd failed to stop. Local nick took my details, didn't want any form of statement from me but did laugh at the pictures that I'd brought along to show I had clearly stopped at the scene. 

Unless they are incompetent they won't.  

If the registered keeper has insurance, licence and mot which are all on their systems, they shouldn't abuse the HO/RT1 system. 

They should however send a 172 notice which may include a NIP.

How do the police identify the owner?
( They can contact the keeper who may or may not be the owner)
If the car is a pool car then the OP is out of luck

Thanks for the input. In relation to the pool car point, I understand what you mean. However, the car is taxed, MOT'd and insured. I would have thought that unlikely for the type of pool car you mention. 

Aretnap

Aretnap said:

You were fobbed off to an extent. The driver doesn't actually have 24 hours to report it; he commits an offence by not stopping at the scene, then he commits a further offence if he doesn't report it as soon as possible (and in any event within 24 hours).

Just for completeness, I've noticed that this is probably not correct. I missed the fact that he did stop and get out of his car and check for damage. In which case arguably he did comply with his duty to stop - if the driver/owner of the car that he hit is nowhere to be seen then he doesn't have to wait indefinitely for them to turn up. 

Contrary to popular belief his obligation in this situation is not to leave a note under the windscreen wiper (the note might blow away, or he might not have a pen and paper in the first place) nor to give his details to a random bystander (who might or might not pass them on to the person who actually needs them) - it's to report the accident to the police. Leaving a note as well might be good manners, but it's neither necessary nor sufficient to comply with the law. 

Diver2

Just coming back to update. After my insurer and i chased down the third party insurer, they have now admitted liability.

Police have sent out witness questionnaires and I've informed then that the third party has admitted liability, whether they take it any further I guess I will never know unless they ask me for a proper statement. 

But thanks all for the help and advice.