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First time buyer with B2L

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  • user1977
    user1977 Posts: 18,432 Forumite
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    MaryNB said:
    What about creating a company and selling the B2L to the company?
    The limited company would have to pay stamp duty on the transaction at the market value of the property and you may have to pay CGT. 
    Yes indeed but the B2L is much cheaper that the family home so SDLT will be much lower. I will have to pay CGT when I come to sell it anyway.
    Plus you'll have all the other costs of setting up and running the company. But yes, that would be an acceptable solution for SDLT purposes. As explained above, you no longer qualify for any FTB concession on the SDLT for your purchase though.
  • K_S
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    What about creating a company and selling the B2L to the company?
    @thegentleway You can absolutely do that, and it's not uncommon where the client is buying a high value property and the BTL (or current home being turned into a BTL) is low value.

    But if it's your only BTL, you don't intend to grow your portfolio or you intend to sell in the near/med term, it's a lot of faff.

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  • thegentleway
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    user1977 said:
    MaryNB said:
    What about creating a company and selling the B2L to the company?
    The limited company would have to pay stamp duty on the transaction at the market value of the property and you may have to pay CGT. 
    Yes indeed but the B2L is much cheaper that the family home so SDLT will be much lower. I will have to pay CGT when I come to sell it anyway.
    Plus you'll have all the other costs of setting up and running the company. But yes, that would be an acceptable solution for SDLT purposes. As explained above, you no longer qualify for any FTB concession on the SDLT for your purchase though.
    Thank you, I don't qualify for any FTB concession as the property we are looking to buy is over £500k. It was just the 3% additional SDLT for a second property that was the issue as it would be £24k.

    With regard to transfering the property into a company; assuming it's worth £230k, that's £9k in SDLT? £125k at 3% + £105k at 5%
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  • thegentleway
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    K_S said:
    What about creating a company and selling the B2L to the company?
    @thegentleway You can absolutely do that, and it's not uncommon where the client is buying a high value property and the BTL (or current home being turned into a BTL) is low value.

    But if it's your only BTL, you don't intend to grow your portfolio or you intend to sell in the near/med term, it's a lot of faff.

    Thank you, it's my only BTL, don't intend to grow my portfolio but wasn't planning on selling.
    No one has ever become poor by giving
  • SDLT_Geek
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    user1977 said:
    MaryNB said:
    What about creating a company and selling the B2L to the company?
    The limited company would have to pay stamp duty on the transaction at the market value of the property and you may have to pay CGT. 
    Yes indeed but the B2L is much cheaper that the family home so SDLT will be much lower. I will have to pay CGT when I come to sell it anyway.
    Plus you'll have all the other costs of setting up and running the company. But yes, that would be an acceptable solution for SDLT purposes. As explained above, you no longer qualify for any FTB concession on the SDLT for your purchase though.
    Thank you, I don't qualify for any FTB concession as the property we are looking to buy is over £500k. It was just the 3% additional SDLT for a second property that was the issue as it would be £24k.

    With regard to transfering the property into a company; assuming it's worth £230k, that's £9k in SDLT? £125k at 3% + £105k at 5%
    Yes, £9,000 SDLT on a market value of £230,000.  That assumes the company counts as UK resident for SDLT purposes.
  • thegentleway
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    What about transfering 51% of the property to a company?

    Does that mean I still have to pay the additional 3% on the residential property?
    No one has ever become poor by giving
  • user1977
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    What about transfering 51% of the property to a company?

    Does that mean I still have to pay the additional 3% on the residential property?
    Yes, you'd still be an owner. Doesn't matter whether you own 100% or 49%.
  • GDB2222
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    user1977 said:
    What about transfering 51% of the property to a company?

    Does that mean I still have to pay the additional 3% on the residential property?
    Yes, you'd still be an owner. Doesn't matter whether you own 100% or 49%.
    There is a de minimis limit. 25% springs to mind, but ICBW.
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
  • thegentleway
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    GDB2222 said:
    user1977 said:
    What about transfering 51% of the property to a company?

    Does that mean I still have to pay the additional 3% on the residential property?
    Yes, you'd still be an owner. Doesn't matter whether you own 100% or 49%.
    There is a de minimis limit. 25% springs to mind, but ICBW.
    How do I find out what the limit is?
    No one has ever become poor by giving
  • GDB2222
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    GDB2222 said:
    user1977 said:
    What about transfering 51% of the property to a company?

    Does that mean I still have to pay the additional 3% on the residential property?
    Yes, you'd still be an owner. Doesn't matter whether you own 100% or 49%.
    There is a de minimis limit. 25% springs to mind, but ICBW.
    How do I find out what the limit is?
    As I said, I could be wrong!
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
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