Leaving my job while on Universal Credit and then studying

calcotti

NedS said:

calcotti said:

Seems to me that, if they tried to sanction you, you have good reason (in that you can't do it any other way) so would be able to challenge any such approach. Hopefully, if you explain the reasons, the question will not arise. 

You may be expected to look for work in the intervening weeks,

I disagree. They are voluntarily leaving paid employment making themselves dependent (or more dependent) upon the state without good reason. It will be a sanction.

They are leaving to study which surely is a good reason. It is the circumstances of their particular employment that prevents them leaving immediately prior to starting the study - they appear to be leaving the point of leavings as late as possible. teachers do not have freedom to quit at any time.

NedS

calcotti said:

NedS said:

calcotti said:

Seems to me that, if they tried to sanction you, you have good reason (in that you can't do it any other way) so would be able to challenge any such approach. Hopefully, if you explain the reasons, the question will not arise. 

You may be expected to look for work in the intervening weeks,

I disagree. They are voluntarily leaving paid employment making themselves dependent (or more dependent) upon the state without good reason. It will be a sanction.

They are leaving to study which surely is a good reason. It is the circumstances of their particular employment that prevents them leaving immediately prior to starting the study - they appear to be leaving the point of leavings as late as possible. teachers do not have freedom to quit at any time.

No, voluntarily leaving a job and choosing to make yourself depenent (or more dependent) on the state is not good reason. Being a student is not considered good reason. When they leave the job is not relevant, the outcome would be the same whenever they leave. Why they left the job is the relevant determinant in determining whether they have good cause or not.

calcotti

Ok, I can see the logic of that. However surely

NedS said:

No, voluntarily leaving a job and choosing to make yourself depenent (or more dependent) on the state is not good reason.  

is not true. Voluntarily leaving a job and choosing to make yourself depenent (or more dependent) on the state is always sanctionable but that then raises consideration of whether or not there is good reason. Good reason is not defined and has to be determined by a DM. There must be circumstances when good reason could apply (even if this is not one). 

(I don't have experience of sanctions so I may have got this completely wrong.)

NedS

calcotti said:

Ok, I can see the logic of that. However surely

NedS said:

No, voluntarily leaving a job and choosing to make yourself depenent (or more dependent) on the state is not good reason.  

is not true. Voluntarily leaving a job and choosing to make yourself depenent (or more dependent) on the state is always sanctionable but that then raises consideration of whether or not there is good reason. Good reason is not defined and has to be determined by a DM. There must be circumstances when good reason could apply (even if this is not one). 

(I don't have experience of sanctions so I may have got this completely wrong.)

Yes, absolutely, I clearly did not word that well. Giving up work to become a student in itself is not good reason.

calcotti

OP, based on what Ned has said, you need to be prepared for a high level sanction of £11/day which would last 91 days if it ran full length but which will stop as soon as you are officially a student.