Handed notice but boss mentioned recent promotion my be withdrawn

rav_

Hi all, I recently handed my notice in my job - a week earlier I got a promotion and substantial raise and was told a day later that I’d get a bonus (due on payday which is the end of the month).

had a civil conversation with the department head but at the end he mentioned hr may withdraw the bonus and promotion/raise - now I know legally they can withdraw the bonus as I’m working my notice (even though I’ve been there for 4 years) but seeing as the internal systems have the improved job title and it was literally announced to the team a few hours earlier in a team meeting can they actually do that, even though I’ve got a 3 month notice period I’ve not tried to get that reduced and I’m fine working it (and my next employer is fine with this) as far as I’m concerned that is done and dusted so they will have to pay me the increased amount for the last 3 months I’m there for

thanks all

sammyjammy

why did you accept the promotion if you were planning on handing your notice?

rav_

Because the new job wasn’t offered to me then? The promotion was about a week before I got the new job offer so would be beyond insane to reject it with no guarantee and no change in notice periods

Plus it wasn’t a ‘do you want to accept’ it’s a ‘you’ve been promoted’ so I didn’t really have a choice to reject!

DontBringBertie

rav_ said:

Because the new job wasn’t offered to me then? The promotion was about a week before I got the new job offer so would be beyond insane to reject it with no guarantee and no change in notice periods

Plus it wasn’t a ‘do you want to accept’ it’s a ‘you’ve been promoted’ so I didn’t really have a choice to reject!

“You’ve got a promotion, congratulations!”

”No, I wish to reject the increased salary as I may get a new job at some point the future”🥴

Marcon

If your promotion and pay rise are withdrawn, what in practical terms are you going to do about it? You've already resigned, so your only realistic option would be to refuse to work your notice period unless you are paid at the new rate - but would that really be sensible?

Wait and see if what sounds like a grumpy threat actually happens. I suspect it won't be carried out.

Ath_Wat

Marcon said:

If your promotion and pay rise are withdrawn, what in practical terms are you going to do about it? You've already resigned, so your only realistic option would be to refuse to work your notice period unless you are paid at the new rate - but would that really be sensible?

Wait and see if what sounds like a grumpy threat actually happens. I suspect it won't be carried out.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is carried out to some extent, especially if the early weeks of the new role would consist of training and easing your way into it.  There's no point them doing that with someone who isn't going to be there.

There is a distinction, however, to be drawn between the promotion and the pay rise.  Almost no sensible  company would bother giving them the actual work that should go with the promotion(unless it is trivially different from what they have been doing)  even if they pay them the higher rate.

The OP and the company probably should be arranging  to get the three month notice period reduced, in all honesty.   Again, that is assuming that promotion is a substantially different role from their previous one (instead of just being called a "senior widget maker" rather than a "widget maker").

Thrugelmir

There's little point in promoting you if you are walking out the door in three months. The Company is going to want to appoint somebody else into the role ASAP.  Relationships are two way. Just accept it for what it is. 

TELLIT01

DontBringBertie said:

rav_ said:

Because the new job wasn’t offered to me then? The promotion was about a week before I got the new job offer so would be beyond insane to reject it with no guarantee and no change in notice periods

Plus it wasn’t a ‘do you want to accept’ it’s a ‘you’ve been promoted’ so I didn’t really have a choice to reject!

“You’ve got a promotion, congratulations!”

”No, I wish to reject the increased salary as I may get a new job at some point the future”🥴

The vast majority of people will change jobs at some point so, using your logic, nobody should ever accept promotion.

Ath_Wat

TELLIT01 said:

DontBringBertie said:

rav_ said:

Because the new job wasn’t offered to me then? The promotion was about a week before I got the new job offer so would be beyond insane to reject it with no guarantee and no change in notice periods

Plus it wasn’t a ‘do you want to accept’ it’s a ‘you’ve been promoted’ so I didn’t really have a choice to reject!

“You’ve got a promotion, congratulations!”

”No, I wish to reject the increased salary as I may get a new job at some point the future”🥴

The vast majority of people will change jobs at some point so, using your logic, nobody should ever accept promotion.

I think that was his point.  Hence the emoticon.

rav_

Ath_Wat said:

Marcon said:

If your promotion and pay rise are withdrawn, what in practical terms are you going to do about it? You've already resigned, so your only realistic option would be to refuse to work your notice period unless you are paid at the new rate - but would that really be sensible?

Wait and see if what sounds like a grumpy threat actually happens. I suspect it won't be carried out.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is carried out to some extent, especially if the early weeks of the new role would consist of training and easing your way into it.  There's no point them doing that with someone who isn't going to be there.

There is a distinction, however, to be drawn between the promotion and the pay rise.  Almost no sensible  company would bother giving them the actual work that should go with the promotion(unless it is trivially different from what they have been doing)  even if they pay them the higher rate.

The OP and the company probably should be arranging  to get the three month notice period reduced, in all honesty.   Again, that is assuming that promotion is a substantially different role from their previous one (instead of just being called a "senior widget maker" rather than a "widget maker").

The promotion is basically what I’ve been doing for the last 18 months being formally recognised, there is no extra workload just more of the same so the senior widget maker rather than widget maker is an apt analogy here

Thrugelmir said:

There's little point in promoting you if you are walking out the door in three months. The Company is going to want to appoint somebody else into the role ASAP.  Relationships are two way. Just accept it for what it is. 

The promotion was effective 10 days before I handed my notice in, so it wasn’t a promise of one it was confirmation that it had happened so a withdrawn of it from my legal knowledge would be breach of contract so I can leave immediately and sue

NCC1701-A

rav_ said:

Ath_Wat said:

Marcon said:

If your promotion and pay rise are withdrawn, what in practical terms are you going to do about it? You've already resigned, so your only realistic option would be to refuse to work your notice period unless you are paid at the new rate - but would that really be sensible?

Wait and see if what sounds like a grumpy threat actually happens. I suspect it won't be carried out.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is carried out to some extent, especially if the early weeks of the new role would consist of training and easing your way into it.  There's no point them doing that with someone who isn't going to be there.

There is a distinction, however, to be drawn between the promotion and the pay rise.  Almost no sensible  company would bother giving them the actual work that should go with the promotion(unless it is trivially different from what they have been doing)  even if they pay them the higher rate.

The OP and the company probably should be arranging  to get the three month notice period reduced, in all honesty.   Again, that is assuming that promotion is a substantially different role from their previous one (instead of just being called a "senior widget maker" rather than a "widget maker").

The promotion is basically what I’ve been doing for the last 18 months being formally recognised, there is no extra workload just more of the same so the senior widget maker rather than widget maker is an apt analogy here

Thrugelmir said:

There's little point in promoting you if you are walking out the door in three months. The Company is going to want to appoint somebody else into the role ASAP.  Relationships are two way. Just accept it for what it is. 

The promotion was effective 10 days before I handed my notice in, so it wasn’t a promise of one it was confirmation that it had happened so a withdrawn of it from my legal knowledge would be breach of contract so I can leave immediately and sue

Good luck with that.  That's make for an interesting updated reference to your new employer.

Begs the question why you have bothered to ask strangers on the internet if you already know the answer.