Listed planning consent required even if outside the curtilage?

Bike369

Hi

I have a grade 2 listed property and I'm considering of installing some ground mounted solar panels but outside the curtilage.

Does anyone know if I still need listed planning consent or can I apply for normal planning permission?

I emailed the planning department in Carmarthenshire a few weeks ago but have yet to receive a reply.

I wish to install approx. 4kw panels so larger than the 9 sq meters (3x3m) you're allowed under permitted development.

Many thanks








 

Doozergirl

Outside the curtilage means 'not on your land', so presumably you won't be installing panels on someone else's land. 

Solar panels inside the curtilage will need planning. 

paganmanwales

Outside the curtilage doesn't necessarily mean 'not on your land' . It can be outside the domestic curtilage but still on land you own, for instance, a paddock adjacent to the house which is agricultural/green belt land.

Section62

paganmanwales said:

Outside the curtilage doesn't necessarily mean 'not on your land' . It can be outside the domestic curtilage but still on land you own, for instance, a paddock adjacent to the house which is agricultural/green belt land.

'Domestic' doesn't come in to the equation.  The issue is whether the land to be developed is or was forming part of the curtilage of a listed property.  The 'was' part means for listing purposes the land still is within a listed curtilage.

Therefore land owned by the same person adjacent to a listed property might not be part of the curtilage, or conversely land owned by the owner of a non-listed property may be within the curtilage of another property which is listed.

The rules are complicated, and since development which affects the setting of a listed building may also need consent, the safest route is to simply talk to the council's conservation officer and ask them to clarify what applies in the specific circumstances.

Meanwhile there is a generic guide to the complexity of the subject here -

https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/publications/listed-buildings-and-curtilage-advice-note-10/

Section62

Bike369 said:

Does anyone know if I still need listed planning consent or can I apply for normal planning permission?
 

Also worth noting that an application for listed building consent should be free... unlike most other applications.

Bike369

Thanks for your replies everyone. Very interesting.

Robin9

I would apply for LBC yourself and let the council say it isn't needed. The process is quite straightforward.

Grumpy_chap

There should be a precise schedule for the OP's building that states exactly what is / is not listed.  This can include factors such as the setting, so can extend beyond simply the building itself.

A listed building was for sale near me recently and the particulars of what was listed was very extensive and very exactly detailed.

phoebe1989seb

Grumpy_chap said:

There should be a precise schedule for the OP's building that states exactly what is / is not listed.  This can include factors such as the setting, so can extend beyond simply the building itself.

A listed building was for sale near me recently and the particulars of what was listed was very extensive and very exactly detailed.

Misconception - not true that it only applies to features referred to in the listing.