Kitchen rebuild in Victorian terrace

Parties03

Hi
I’m looking to make an offer on a house. The house itself is great in 90% of ways but 2 things 
1. The kitchen is long and I prefer them being the width of the house 
2. The garden is small, it’s a courtyard really, and eaten into by the way the kitchen is extended. 

Is what I’ve drawn feasible at all? I’d essentially want to make the kitchen shorter and wider coming off the current dining room. 

I’m not sure where a utility would go though or a downstairs toilet at least

also on top of this is a big main bathroom which would also need to be readied but does not need to be as large. 

The current garden if it had no existing extension in it would be roughly 20 ft wide, 30 ft deep. 

I’ve attached pictures of what I sort of mean 

thanks  

Slithery

Parties03 said:

Is what I’ve drawn feasible at all? I’d essentially want to make the kitchen shorter and wider coming off the current dining room.

Anything is feasible (for a cost)

Those both look like walls that are supporting the rest of the property though so the cost may well be huge.

Can you post a plan of the other floors?

Parties03

Slithery said:

Parties03 said:

Is what I’ve drawn feasible at all? I’d essentially want to make the kitchen shorter and wider coming off the current dining room.

Anything is feasible (for a cost)

Those both look like walls that are supporting the rest of the property though so the cost may well be huge.

Can you post a plan of the other floors?

Sure!

yes very possible they are as the one outside from the dining room is an external wall but the kitchen only supports the upstairs bathroom (which would also need reconfiguring) 

RAS

So reducing the size of the bathroom will be costly if that lines up with rear wall of the current kitchen.

Could you wrangle an ensuite for the rear first floor bedroom and a house bathroom from the current space? No dimensions given.

Section62

Parties03 said:

Is what I’ve drawn feasible at all? I’d essentially want to make the kitchen shorter and wider coming off the current dining room. 

Essentially you'll be spending a lot of money on making the house smaller... generally that isn't a good idea, people normally spend money making more space.

The layout of this kind of victorian terrace is usually quite limiting in terms of extensions and alterations - one of the problems you'll have is a need to retain an external window for the rear bedroom on the first-floor.  That means the bathroom can't be extended width-wise in the same way you want to change the kitchen.

To achieve what you want is likely to involve quite a bit of structural work... which brings us back to the point about spending a lot of money on making the house smaller.

If this layout really doesn't suit you, then you are probably thinking about offering on the wrong property.  Why not use your rebuilding budget to buy a different property which meets your needs?

hazyjo

Keep the courtyard garden and lose the utility and shower. Put a downstairs loo in under the stairs or find a corner in the kitchen for that and maybe laundry.  Bifolds at the back, extend into the side return if you like and have them across the back.

You can make a courtyard garden pretty.

https://pin.it/4bz1X4H

Check out ideas online.

hazyjo

Late night scribbles lol. Zigzag bifolds. Side extension in dashes, or keep the original wall.

Parties03

Section62 said

If this layout really doesn't suit you, then you are probably thinking about offering on the wrong property.  Why not use your rebuilding budget to buy a different property which meets your needs?

Thank you for your input this is a really fair point. I’ve only ever looked at extensions but not really restructuring like this so I wanted to see if it’s possible at all. 

Overall it would actually give us a bigger kitchen in sq footage, upstairs bathroom would end up smaller but it is huge right now and almost too big as it is anyway. We would keep the bathroom upstairs the size it is and the side extension on the kitchen would be something to account for allowing a lot of light into the room and retaining the external window from the bathroom so like a more traditional side return with velux windows or something. 

I was looking at something like 11ish ft deep which would give a kitchen in the new picture a size of 11x20ft and currently it’s 11.5x15.5ish - sorry I didn’t add any measurements I’m just mentioning for clarity! 

More so I was wondering if this is going to cost hundreds of thousands to do which isn’t feasible rather than the space change! However if it’s within the tens of thousands then for me, given all the other factors of this house, it’s doable. 

Parties03

hazyjo said:

Late night scribbles lol. Zigzag bifolds. Side extension in dashes, or keep the original wall.

I’m an ideal world this would be the smartest easiest thing to do but it would mean there’s basically 2metres depth of garden left as a result 😭 

Parties03

hazyjo said:

You can make a courtyard garden pretty.

https://pin.it/4bz1X4H

Check out ideas online.

That one does look really pretty! 

Definitely an idea to consider thank you 

Parties03

RAS said:

Could you wrangle an ensuite for the rear first floor bedroom and a house bathroom from the current space? No dimensions given.

The layout of this house is a little different to the neighbouring ones - they have en suites in the box room at the front and the current main bathroom is a family shower room and the “box” room, actually a layout I prefer. They also have a shower room in the cupboard upstairs. 

Obviously this all adds up but it’s feasible as those houses have identical layouts and measurements. 

Unfortunately nothing can go under the stairs I think as it leads to the basement so I don’t think there is space… possibly for a small loo.