Understanding using 1625 railcard use before 10am
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My daughter has just got a job that means commuting. She needs to start before 10am. I understand that she can use her 1625 railcard before 10am so long as the fare costs a minimum of £12.
Looking online single fares came up for the outward leg of the journey below £12 f using the 1625 railcard but the fare is only pushed to £12+ when also purchasing the other single ticket for the return leg.
Is this allowed, Can I buy 2 single tickets for there and back so long as the whole cost comes to at least £12, or does the first part of the journey have to cost £12 or can't I buy 2 singles at all if the journey starts before 10am and can only buy a return that costs at least £12?
Any help appreciated as I'm confused.
Looking online single fares came up for the outward leg of the journey below £12 f using the 1625 railcard but the fare is only pushed to £12+ when also purchasing the other single ticket for the return leg.
Is this allowed, Can I buy 2 single tickets for there and back so long as the whole cost comes to at least £12, or does the first part of the journey have to cost £12 or can't I buy 2 singles at all if the journey starts before 10am and can only buy a return that costs at least £12?
Any help appreciated as I'm confused.
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There and back is 2 journeys. The £12 is for each journey (not ticket) in the Peak hours.
For journeys made between 04:30 and 10:00 Monday to Friday, a minimum fare of £12 is payable.
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unforeseen said:There and back is 2 journeys. The £12 is for each journey (not ticket) in the Peak hours.
For journeys made between 04:30 and 10:00 Monday to Friday, a minimum fare of £12 is payable.
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Spendless said:unforeseen said:There and back is 2 journeys. The £12 is for each journey (not ticket) in the Peak hours.
For journeys made between 04:30 and 10:00 Monday to Friday, a minimum fare of £12 is payable.
As I said and the rules state. It is based on the journey cost and not ticket cost. A return ticket is 2 journeys0 
There is some misinformation in this thread (a return ticket is NOT 2 journeys)
The short version is that for journeys before 10am MF (excluding July+August) there is a minimum fare of £12 that applies to a ticket (you can't can't get discount on "Advance" tickets).
So if the return costs for example £15, after 10am it would £10, but before 10am it would be £12)  figures may be rounded slightly  but also and this is one to watch out for if the fare is normally £10  then after 10am it would be £6.70  BUT before 10am some tickets machines will apply the £12 rule and if you use your railcard it will show as £12
If you want to give the exact example then I could give some real figures or ask on railforums.co.uk who are experts in tis kind of thing (you've not mentioned your daughters age but there are other railcards that might work such as 1617 saver)0 
tehone said:There is some misinformation in this thread (a return ticket is NOT 2 journeys)
The short version is that for journeys before 10am MF (excluding July+August) there is a minimum fare of £12 that applies to a ticket (you can't can't get discount on "Advance" tickets).
So if the return costs for example £15, after 10am it would £10, but before 10am it would be £12)  figures may be rounded slightly  but also and this is one to watch out for if the fare is normally £10  then after 10am it would be £6.70  BUT before 10am some tickets machines will apply the £12 rule and if you use your railcard it will show as £12
If you want to give the exact example then I could give some real figures or ask on railforums.co.uk who are experts in tis kind of thing (you've not mentioned your daughters age but there are other railcards that might work such as 1617 saver)0 
To arrive in York at 8.41 and leave at 5.32 the fare is £14.75, i.e. an Anytime Day Return with 1625 Railcard. Arriving in York later (e.g. 10.31) makes the Offpeak Day Return possible for £13.30. Cheaper train specific fares are available.0

If not, would upgrading to a 1st Class ticket take it over the single journey minimum of £12?No free lunch, and no free laptop0

Thanks for the replies. We have been doing as @jbuchanangb said, buying an anytime day return which takes us over the min £12 fare.0
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