Internal Doors - Leasehold. Can anyone Help?

car1984

Hello. 
I was wondering if anyone would be able to help make sense of the wording in a lease? I am looking to replace or paint if possible all the doors in the flat bar the front door,  but struggling to determine who owns these. There is nothing written in the (Not to Alter) paragraph only specifies no alteration to external doors. If anyone has any knowledge on leases - any advice would be much appreciated.   I have attached below the part of the lease which I think I should be looking at? 
Thank You :-) 

eddddy

The internal doors belong to you - as explained in para 2.2.

There shouldn't be an issue with painting them, but if you plan to replace them they might need to be fire doors with self-closers, as it's a flat. 

car1984

eddddy said:

The internal doors belong to you - as explained in para 2.2.

There shouldn't be an issue with painting them, but if you plan to replace them they might need to be fire doors with self-closers, as it's a flat. 

Thank you so much -  I was confused as 2.7 and 2.8 talk about exclusions.  I believe them to be fire doors yes - but as there is nothing in the lease regarding this - I was unsure if the doors could be touched at all. 

HampshireH

car1984 said:

eddddy said:

The internal doors belong to you - as explained in para 2.2.

There shouldn't be an issue with painting them, but if you plan to replace them they might need to be fire doors with self-closers, as it's a flat. 

Thank you so much -  I was confused as 2.7 and 2.8 talk about exclusions.  I believe them to be fire doors yes - but as there is nothing in the lease regarding this - I was unsure if the doors could be touched at all. 

The lease wouldn't usually specify fire doors, indeed depending on the age they may not have been regs requiring them to be fire doors when the lease was written. ☺️

Norman_Castle

eddddy said:

The internal doors belong to you - as explained in para 2.2.

There shouldn't be an issue with painting them, but if you plan to replace them they might need to be fire doors with self-closers, as it's a flat. 

Internal flat doors no longer need to be fire doors or have self closers. Only the final exit doors need to be fire doors.

HampshireH

Norman_Castle said:

eddddy said:

The internal doors belong to you - as explained in para 2.2.

There shouldn't be an issue with painting them, but if you plan to replace them they might need to be fire doors with self-closers, as it's a flat. 

Internal flat doors no longer need to be fire doors or have self closers. Only the final exit doors need to be fire doors.

Just in domestic and home owned? 

If a flat is built with fire doors as per building regs don't they need to be replaced with fire doors?

Could you share the current regs? 

Norman_Castle

HampshireH said:

Norman_Castle said:

eddddy said:

The internal doors belong to you - as explained in para 2.2.

There shouldn't be an issue with painting them, but if you plan to replace them they might need to be fire doors with self-closers, as it's a flat. 

Internal flat doors no longer need to be fire doors or have self closers. Only the final exit doors need to be fire doors.

Just in domestic and home owned? 

If a flat is built with fire doors as per building regs don't they need to be replaced with fire doors?

Could you share the current regs? 

Domestic, no idea about other properties. The regulations apply regardless of ownership though I expect owners are responsible for their homes and landlords are responsible for properties they rent out.

Regulations changed in about 2006 no longer requiring internal doors to be fire doors but from memory internal doors needed to be "of good quality and close fitting". I had links to this information but they're out of date now and show a 404 error.

A surveyor from a large housing association confirmed self closers on internal doors can be removed and when properties are voided they now remove them.

I had links confirming the above which applied to my property which are now out of date. Slightly confusing as there are numerous property configurations. If you need info for a specific property this might get you there. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-safety-approved-document-b

HampshireH

Norman_Castle said:

HampshireH said:

Norman_Castle said:

eddddy said:

The internal doors belong to you - as explained in para 2.2.

There shouldn't be an issue with painting them, but if you plan to replace them they might need to be fire doors with self-closers, as it's a flat. 

Internal flat doors no longer need to be fire doors or have self closers. Only the final exit doors need to be fire doors.

Just in domestic and home owned? 

If a flat is built with fire doors as per building regs don't they need to be replaced with fire doors?

Could you share the current regs? 

Domestic, no idea about other properties. The regulations apply regardless of ownership though I expect owners are responsible for their homes and landlords are responsible for properties they rent out.

Regulations changed in about 2006 no longer requiring internal doors to be fire doors but from memory internal doors needed to be "of good quality and close fitting". I had links to this information but they're out of date now and show a 404 error.

A surveyor from a large housing association confirmed self closers on internal doors can be removed and when properties are voided they now remove them.

I had links confirming the above which applied to my property which are now out of date. Slightly confusing as there are numerous property configurations. If you need info for a specific property this might get you there. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fire-safety-approved-document-b

Thanks, door closers are definitely removed, but most HAs I know are fitting fire doors first floor and above in flats when they become void if they need replacing through wear or damage (not upgrading) I'll take a look at your link

Norman_Castle

Try asking here. https://www.safelincs-forum.co.uk/topic/460-why-do-i-need-a-door-closer/page/3/