EV only tariffs, battery storage, and the current unfair advantage

cypher007

ive recently noticed suppliers doing very attractive rates for over night use. but when ive enquired they say this is for EV owners only? this strikes me as very unfair in the current crisis as it essentially benefits people who are able to afford expensive EV's. some battery storage options have been pushing this idea and youtubers have also spread the idea that these tariffs are available for this storage as well, when it blatantly isnt.

as far as the energy companies are concerned the excuse ive been given is they are collecting data on how people charge there EV's. well im calling BS on this as surely they cant get any useable data from this as some cars will charge different amounts on different days, plus if you charge a battery or run the dishwasher its all power being used.

Thrugelmir

Say you've got an EV. Problem solved. 

cypher007

Thrugelmir said:

Say you've got an EV. Problem solved. 

yeah there not that stupid unfortunately. some are apparently asking for the V5 as proof.

MWT

Thrugelmir said:

Say you've got an EV. Problem solved. 

Getting harder to do that as some will want more proof than just saying 'yes'...

cypher007 said:

as far as the energy companies are concerned the excuse ive been given is they are collecting data on how people charge there EV's. well im calling BS on this as surely they cant get any useable data from this as some cars will charge different amounts on different days, plus if you charge a battery or run the dishwasher its all power being used.

They are looking for EV users who will be charging overnight, with relatively large capacity batteries, not domestic battery users who are just time-shifting their use and generally using much smaller batteries.

The difference to the supplier is linked to the way that the settlement systems work, and the changes they would like to get in those systems by showing they have a cohort with significant demand based on the EV users.

cypher007

MWT said:

Thrugelmir said:

Say you've got an EV. Problem solved. 

Getting harder to do that as some will want more proof than just saying 'yes'...

cypher007 said:

as far as the energy companies are concerned the excuse ive been given is they are collecting data on how people charge there EV's. well im calling BS on this as surely they cant get any useable data from this as some cars will charge different amounts on different days, plus if you charge a battery or run the dishwasher its all power being used.

They are looking for EV users who will be charging overnight, with relatively large capacity batteries, not domestic battery users who are just time-shifting their use and generally using much smaller batteries.

The difference to the supplier is linked to the way that the settlement systems work, and the changes they would like to get in those systems by showing they have a cohort with significant demand based on the EV users.

ok but the 8.2kwh battery i plan to charge isnt far off a Gwiz EV.

MWT

cypher007 said:

MWT said:

Thrugelmir said:

Say you've got an EV. Problem solved. 

Getting harder to do that as some will want more proof than just saying 'yes'...

cypher007 said:

as far as the energy companies are concerned the excuse ive been given is they are collecting data on how people charge there EV's. well im calling BS on this as surely they cant get any useable data from this as some cars will charge different amounts on different days, plus if you charge a battery or run the dishwasher its all power being used.

They are looking for EV users who will be charging overnight, with relatively large capacity batteries, not domestic battery users who are just time-shifting their use and generally using much smaller batteries.

The difference to the supplier is linked to the way that the settlement systems work, and the changes they would like to get in those systems by showing they have a cohort with significant demand based on the EV users.

ok but the 8.2kwh battery i plan to charge isnt far off a Gwiz EV.

.. but still a huge gap between that and pretty much every other EV out there with even the smallest of the rest being 3x that size and most of the rest at least 5x as large...

I do understand the frustration, but most of those EV tariffs are running at a loss while they try to get the settlement systems changed, so allowing people onto the tariff without the ability to add meaningfully to the data collection isn't really helping...

savers_united

I put 24kwh into my EV 3-5 nights a week, I am shifting average 100kwh a week. I just think it looks good for these suppliers to promote EVs with many now getting into the fitting of charging points and EV lease deals. Expect something similar when heat pumps are rolled out. 

Thrugelmir

cypher007 said:

Thrugelmir said:

Say you've got an EV. Problem solved. 

yeah there not that stupid unfortunately. some are apparently asking for the V5 as proof.

So it's not BS that the tariff is for EV owners. Data is extremely valuable. With EV's growing in number. Trends will need to be monitored. 

QrizB

cypher007 said:

ive recently noticed suppliers doing very attractive rates for over night use. but when ive enquired they say this is for EV owners only? this strikes me as very unfair in the current crisis as it essentially benefits people who are able to afford expensive EV's

Buy an EV as well as a home battery; problem solved.

I don't know if used Leafs still start at £4k (the car market is funny at the moment) but a new E-Lex is only £1700.

cypher007

QrizB said:

cypher007 said:

ive recently noticed suppliers doing very attractive rates for over night use. but when ive enquired they say this is for EV owners only? this strikes me as very unfair in the current crisis as it essentially benefits people who are able to afford expensive EV's

Buy an EV as well as a home battery; problem solved.

I don't know if used Leafs still start at £4k (the car market is funny at the moment) but a new E-Lex is only £1700.

had a look over the weekend and they start around £6k realistically, unless your the guy who presents Autotrader youtube who managed to get one for £4500 last September.

re used car prices thats another whole con people are getting sucked into. if new cars are not available keep the one you have until prices and availability return to normal.

Verdigris

don't know if used Leafs still start at £4k (the car market is funny at the moment)

I was shocked how much 2nd-hand EVs had gone up, in the past year or so, when I had another look, recently. You could pick up a Zoe, with an owned battery, for under £5k. I sort of regret not trekking from Devon to Norfolk to have a butchers, now.