Christmas Tips

bris

It's implied yes but not to be taken for granted.

I always ask the staf serving me if they get the tips before tipping as a lot of places use it to pay the wages.

It's dispicable but happens a lot.

Alderbank

Manxman_in_exile said:

Alderbank said:

The Government have been busy sorting this out since 2016. In September Paul Scully said 'Unfortunately, some employers choose to withhold cash from hardworking staff who have been tipped by customers as a reward for good service. Our plans will make this illegal and ensure tips will go to those who worked for it.'

The government did not say when the new laws would come in. Some people say the government has been too busy recently dealing with more urgent matters to pass new legislation.

Are you saying it isn't already illegal for an employer to solicit tips for staff and not pass them onto staff?

Yes. The Sun said
https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/15419460/thousands-workers-keep-tips-new-law/

THOUSANDS of workers could keep their tips under a new law that has been put forward to ban employers from pocketing them. Currently, businesses aren't required by law to pass on gratuities to staff. The new bill would stop employers keeping tips intended for staff, and make sure proper arrangements are put in place to split cash between workers fairly.

The 'Tips Bill' was titled by the government 'A Bill to prohibit employers retaining tips and gratuities intended for staff.'

This Bill was withdrawn by the government on 5 January 2022, perhaps to focus on more important matters such as saving the Prime Minister's skin.

sheramber

I only tip for service over and above- not for someone just doing their job.  Their employer pays then for that.

Pollycat

SUZYKINS said:

Tricky one here.
My Daughter works in a local farm shop & they put a tin out in December for tips, the owner takes control of this even though its for the staff.
The owner still has not shared out the tips even though its February! Is there any legal obligation, or can she just keep the collection ?
TIA, she is only 17 so needs every penny.

Has she spoken to any of the other staff?
What do they think?
Is it usual for the owner to take this long to share out tips?
Maybe it's slipped his/her mind and is sat at the back of a drawer.

MattMattMattUK

Manxman_in_exile said:

sheramber said:

We always tipped personally, not collectively. If the employee adds it to the 'pot' that is up to them.

I'm quite happy to tip into a "pot" because otherwise the non-front of house staff miss out.  In a restaurant or whatever it isn't just the front of house and waiting staff who contribute to the quality of the experience.  I think thet only tipping staff personally can end up being unfair on other staff.

The difference is usually because of the rates of pay, now it was 15-20 years ago since I was working in and running pubs and restaurants, but back them bar and waiting staff got paid £5-6.50 per hour, but chefs in the kitchen were usually on £15-25 per hour. If I worked as cover somewhere as a bar manager I could maybe get £12-15 per hour, if I worked as an agency chef £20 ph was not unusual for a commis role, for a CDP £25 phwas the norm.

born_again

powerful_Rogue said:

born_again said:

Does the shop have a social media presence? If so then some messages about the owners behaviour may make them think again.

Just be aware that if your daughter has been there for less then two years, she can probably kiss goodbye to her job.

If done right the owner will have no idea who has raised the problem.
But speaking to all other staff is a good place to start & then they can all raise the issue with owner. Who won't want all staff to leave en masse.