Speaking to doctors and health professsionals

Toothsmith

textbook said:

  A few days later a girl sat on me and her weight moved that hip as it wsa adjusted. 

I'd say it was more the lap dancer's fault!

PterionPterion

textbook said:

Don't think all doctors are rubbish in Britain or great abroad.  That's a generalisation, mainly the issue of secrecy, protectionism etc, lack of openness and lack of exposure to the incompetents are my major concerns.  Of course there are good ones too.  Let's not get emotional and, let's work with what we've got and that includes the culture and be positive, how do I do that with physios, doctors etc?. (you said getting angry won't help situation so I want to be polite and assertive), so this is the situation- 

My hip was adjusted by a quack abroad (years ago) they generally only train for two weeks, there are no certifications for chiropractors (if that's what he was) and they work outside their medical system so shouldnt even be associated with doctors.   He noticed my leg was shorter on one side (common) so decided to adjust my hip and make it the same as the other one- so foot matched the longer one.   A few days later a girl sat on me and her weight moved that hip as it wsa adjusted.  For the last few years (20)this has caused me pain and money trying to resolve it.  I find it very hard to stay calm when explaining this to medics and just angry.  Their then protection of this guy in a far off land who really was a quack (but they don't know this obvious fact)  and consequently intimidating feelings if I get angry and their arrogance furthers my anger.   How do I talk to these people ?  Docs, chiropractors, physios (far easier with physios tbh)  How do I stay calm?    If they say something which appears wrong to me, how do I react?   Any help with my social skills in this frustrating situation would be greatly appreciated?    I guess just stay calm, you can always get a 2nd opinion.   

By the way, the only person who helped me with this was an excellent osteopath who was British. I have hope. 

Maybe it is less to do with 'protectionism' 'secrecy' and defending quacks abroad but rather with what you're explaining to these healthcare professionals. 

Its not uncommon for people to come in with a misconception where they are absolutely 100% convinced something is true but isn't medically possible. 
Like the one chap I came across many years ago who was convinced his glaucoma was caused by radiation as he stood too close to his microwave watching his food heat. 

Anyhow, maybe what you're saying isn't medically possible and that's why they don't agree with you. 

Ibrahim5

I thought the hip was a ball and socket joint. I didn't know it could be adjusted. Do you need a screwdriver?

textbook

Undervalued said:

textbook said:

Don't think all doctors are rubbish in Britain or great abroad.  That's a generalisation, mainly the issue of secrecy, protectionism etc, lack of openness and lack of exposure to the incompetents are my major concerns.  Of course there are good ones too.  Let's not get emotional and, let's work with what we've got and that includes the culture and be positive, how do I do that with physios, doctors etc?. (you said getting angry won't help situation so I want to be polite and assertive), so this is the situation- 

My hip was adjusted by a quack abroad (years ago) they generally only train for two weeks, there are no certifications for chiropractors (if that's what he was) and they work outside their medical system so shouldnt even be associated with doctors.   He noticed my leg was shorter on one side (common) so decided to adjust my hip and make it the same as the other one- so foot matched the longer one.   A few days later a girl sat on me and her weight moved that hip as it wsa adjusted.  For the last few years (20)this has caused me pain and money trying to resolve it.  I find it very hard to stay calm when explaining this to medics and just angry.  Their then protection of this guy in a far off land who really was a quack (but they don't know this obvious fact)  and consequently intimidating feelings if I get angry and their arrogance furthers my anger.   How do I talk to these people ?  Docs, chiropractors, physios (far easier with physios tbh)  How do I stay calm?    If they say something which appears wrong to me, how do I react?   Any help with my social skills in this frustrating situation would be greatly appreciated?    I guess just stay calm, you can always get a 2nd opinion.   

By the way, the only person who helped me with this was an excellent osteopath who was British. I have hope. 

I don't think that is still true in the UK. At one time it was but I think you will find it changed 10 to 20 years ago.

He made the adjustment to my hip abroad this wasn't in the UK. I  think you misunderstood.  This happened abroad.

   But was it true unregistered chiropractors worked in the UK 20 years ago?

textbook

PterionPterion said:

textbook said:

Don't think all doctors are rubbish in Britain or great abroad.  That's a generalisation, mainly the issue of secrecy, protectionism etc, lack of openness and lack of exposure to the incompetents are my major concerns.  Of course there are good ones too.  Let's not get emotional and, let's work with what we've got and that includes the culture and be positive, how do I do that with physios, doctors etc?. (you said getting angry won't help situation so I want to be polite and assertive), so this is the situation- 

My hip was adjusted by a quack abroad (years ago) they generally only train for two weeks, there are no certifications for chiropractors (if that's what he was) and they work outside their medical system so shouldnt even be associated with doctors.   He noticed my leg was shorter on one side (common) so decided to adjust my hip and make it the same as the other one- so foot matched the longer one.   A few days later a girl sat on me and her weight moved that hip as it wsa adjusted.  For the last few years (20)this has caused me pain and money trying to resolve it.  I find it very hard to stay calm when explaining this to medics and just angry.  Their then protection of this guy in a far off land who really was a quack (but they don't know this obvious fact)  and consequently intimidating feelings if I get angry and their arrogance furthers my anger.   How do I talk to these people ?  Docs, chiropractors, physios (far easier with physios tbh)  How do I stay calm?    If they say something which appears wrong to me, how do I react?   Any help with my social skills in this frustrating situation would be greatly appreciated?    I guess just stay calm, you can always get a 2nd opinion.   

By the way, the only person who helped me with this was an excellent osteopath who was British. I have hope. 

Maybe it is less to do with 'protectionism' 'secrecy' and defending quacks abroad but rather with what you're explaining to these healthcare professionals. 

Its not uncommon for people to come in with a misconception where they are absolutely 100% convinced something is true but isn't medically possible. 
Like the one chap I came across many years ago who was convinced his glaucoma was caused by radiation as he stood too close to his microwave watching his food heat. 

Anyhow, maybe what you're saying isn't medically possible and that's why they don't agree with you. 

He noticed my leg length was different (1cm) and moved the hip so they were same position (my feet same), three days later a girl sat on me and it moved.  Coincidence?   A recommended physio worked out that he'd adjusted the hip in the socket or something and said I shouldn't really say this but he should'nt have done that.  When I started probing him he got evasive and said it could be that or two other things.   He knows what the guy did yet tried to protect someone who probably did a two week course in a medically backward country.   I learnt later that you can/ or could just dio a two week course there and open a practice   Another British chiropractor said- what had happened was scary.     It sniffs massively of protectionism, wouldn't you say?  Anyhow, I'm going to get a referral from a physio to GP, I'll get two, incase GP won't refer me and have to see someone privately.

Please can people advise on how to speak to the doctor, consultant, physio etc- regarding getting the best advice and help on this?   How to be polite etc   If I don't agree is it a case of getting a 2nd opinion?    I know I need to be polite, not use words like quack but I have to explain what happened without causing their 'protectionism' kicking in and feeling I'm attacking 'one of their brothers'   I'm not this guy shouldn't be associated with them

I wrote the situation in previous post and asked how to handle speaking to each person.  


i really do have faith in good British doctors, physios etc but not all (this is the case in every field of work).

I think I need to explain this so they understand that this 'quack' abroad is in no way associated with them (non quacks) and they shouldn't feel associated with genuine quack.   I think this may be key issue.   How?

textbook

Ibrahim5 said:

I thought the hip was a ball and socket joint. I didn't know it could be adjusted. Do you need a screwdriver?

lol.   Funny

littlegreenparrot

textbook said:

PterionPterion said:

textbook said:

Don't think all doctors are rubbish in Britain or great abroad.  That's a generalisation, mainly the issue of secrecy, protectionism etc, lack of openness and lack of exposure to the incompetents are my major concerns.  Of course there are good ones too.  Let's not get emotional and, let's work with what we've got and that includes the culture and be positive, how do I do that with physios, doctors etc?. (you said getting angry won't help situation so I want to be polite and assertive), so this is the situation- 

My hip was adjusted by a quack abroad (years ago) they generally only train for two weeks, there are no certifications for chiropractors (if that's what he was) and they work outside their medical system so shouldnt even be associated with doctors.   He noticed my leg was shorter on one side (common) so decided to adjust my hip and make it the same as the other one- so foot matched the longer one.   A few days later a girl sat on me and her weight moved that hip as it wsa adjusted.  For the last few years (20)this has caused me pain and money trying to resolve it.  I find it very hard to stay calm when explaining this to medics and just angry.  Their then protection of this guy in a far off land who really was a quack (but they don't know this obvious fact)  and consequently intimidating feelings if I get angry and their arrogance furthers my anger.   How do I talk to these people ?  Docs, chiropractors, physios (far easier with physios tbh)  How do I stay calm?    If they say something which appears wrong to me, how do I react?   Any help with my social skills in this frustrating situation would be greatly appreciated?    I guess just stay calm, you can always get a 2nd opinion.   

By the way, the only person who helped me with this was an excellent osteopath who was British. I have hope. 

Maybe it is less to do with 'protectionism' 'secrecy' and defending quacks abroad but rather with what you're explaining to these healthcare professionals. 

Its not uncommon for people to come in with a misconception where they are absolutely 100% convinced something is true but isn't medically possible. 
Like the one chap I came across many years ago who was convinced his glaucoma was caused by radiation as he stood too close to his microwave watching his food heat. 

Anyhow, maybe what you're saying isn't medically possible and that's why they don't agree with you. 

He noticed my leg length was different (1cm) and moved the hip so they were same position (my feet same), three days later a girl sat on me and it moved.  Coincidence?   A recommended physio worked out that he'd adjusted the hip in the socket or something and said I shouldn't really say this but he should'nt have done that.  When I started probing him he got evasive and said it could be that or two other things.   He knows what the guy did yet tried to protect someone who probably did a two week course in a medically backward country.     Another British chiropractor said- what had happened was scary.     It sniffs massively of protectionism, wouldn't you say?  Anyhow, I'm going to get a referral from a physio to GP, I'll get two, incase GP won't refer me and have to see someone privately.

Please can people advise on how to speak to the doctor, consultant, physio etc- regarding getting the best advice and help on this?   How to be polite etc   If I don't agree is it a case of getting a 2nd opinion? 

I wrote the situation in previous post and asked how to handle speaking to each person.  


i really do have faith in good British doctors, physios etc but not all (this is the case in every field of work).

I think I need to explain this so they understand that this 'quack' abroad is in no way associated with them (non quacks) and they shouldn't feel associated with genuine quack.   I think this may be key issue.   How?

I don't think that behaviour sounds like protectionism. I think it sounds like someone trying to be professional. They do not know exactly what happened, when, or why, so how can they comment?  Of course if you become aware of inappropriate behaviour or practice by a colleague you can follow proper procedures to report that, but some random person 20 years ago in a different country? What do you expect them to do?

Anyway, in terms of how to speak to people. I would stop using the word 'quack' for starters and any other insulting terms. 

You go in, explain what your problem is and how long you have had it. Explain you think you may have had inappropriate treatment in the past. 
You listen to them, ask questions politely as necessary, ask them to explain in more detail if you need them to. 
At the end you say thank you.  Just the same way as you would (I hope) talk politely to anyone else that you deal with. 

If they say something which appears wrong to me, how do I react? The fact that it appears wrong, does not mean that it is wrong. You just ask them. 'That's interesting because I thought such and such was the case, or I have read that this can be helpful, I tried that before and found that this happened' or whatever. Ask them to explain, don't assume they are an idiot that doesn't know what they are talking about. There are of course bad doctors, but it could also be that they are very good, well qualified doctors who know more about it than you do. 

If you have a problem with any of the advice/suggestions/further actions you go home, look up someone else and make an appointment for a second opinion. 

Grumpy_chap

textbook said:

I'm going to get a referral from a physio to GP, I'll get two, incase GP won't refer me and have to see someone privately.

Normally, the referral would be from the GP to the physio (or any other specialist that the GP thinks is appropriate), not the other way round.  First point for non-emergency primary care is via the GP with the medical system as it is.

textbook said:

Please can people advise on how to speak to the doctor, consultant, physio etc- regarding getting the best advice and help on this?   How to be polite etc   If I don't agree is it a case of getting a 2nd opinion?    I know I need to be polite, not use words like quack but I have to explain what happened without causing their 'protectionism' kicking in

I don't think there is any "protectionism" and you need to clear your head of all that conspiracy stuff so that you can speak and listen and hear the response with an open and engaging mind.

So, you need to make an appointment with your GP.
When you see the GP, start with what your current concerns and symptoms are.
Allow the GP to lead the conversation / response, they should ask about your history.
That is the time to mention the previous treatment. Do so in a factual manner, like you said above:
"XXX years ago I saw a Dr/Chiropractor/Physio (whatever they presented themselves as) in YYY country.  He noticed my leg length was different (1cm) and moved the hip so they were same position (my feet same), three days later a girl sat on me and it moved.  I wonder whether this could be connected to the symptoms I am now experiencing."
Let the GP assess the relevance to current symptoms.  Avoid any derogatory remarks in any response or feedback you give.

Hope that helps.

Undervalued

textbook said:

Undervalued said:

textbook said:

Don't think all doctors are rubbish in Britain or great abroad.  That's a generalisation, mainly the issue of secrecy, protectionism etc, lack of openness and lack of exposure to the incompetents are my major concerns.  Of course there are good ones too.  Let's not get emotional and, let's work with what we've got and that includes the culture and be positive, how do I do that with physios, doctors etc?. (you said getting angry won't help situation so I want to be polite and assertive), so this is the situation- 

My hip was adjusted by a quack abroad (years ago) they generally only train for two weeks, there are no certifications for chiropractors (if that's what he was) and they work outside their medical system so shouldnt even be associated with doctors.   He noticed my leg was shorter on one side (common) so decided to adjust my hip and make it the same as the other one- so foot matched the longer one.   A few days later a girl sat on me and her weight moved that hip as it wsa adjusted.  For the last few years (20)this has caused me pain and money trying to resolve it.  I find it very hard to stay calm when explaining this to medics and just angry.  Their then protection of this guy in a far off land who really was a quack (but they don't know this obvious fact)  and consequently intimidating feelings if I get angry and their arrogance furthers my anger.   How do I talk to these people ?  Docs, chiropractors, physios (far easier with physios tbh)  How do I stay calm?    If they say something which appears wrong to me, how do I react?   Any help with my social skills in this frustrating situation would be greatly appreciated?    I guess just stay calm, you can always get a 2nd opinion.   

By the way, the only person who helped me with this was an excellent osteopath who was British. I have hope. 

I don't think that is still true in the UK. At one time it was but I think you will find it changed 10 to 20 years ago.

He made the adjustment to my hip abroad this wasn't in the UK. I  think you misunderstood.  This happened abroad.

   But was it true unregistered chiropractors worked in the UK 20 years ago?

I am 99% sure that the legal requirement for chiropractors to be qualified and registered in the UK is relatively recent (maybe 15 to 20 years as I said). 

The counselling and psychotherapy "profession" is still not legally regulated. Although most reputable ones are members of one or other of the main bodies (UKCP or BACP), there is no legal requirement to be. So you, I or anybody else can set up as one and start seeing patients tomorrow. There are other examples too.

theoretica

I think you need to focus on the now much more than the past.  What matters most is that you are in pain and want help with that.  That you have had ongoing issues for 20 years will be relevant, and mentioning an adjustment then.  But it doesn't really matter much now if the person who helps you thinks you were just unlucky or thinks that event triggered something.  Talk about it as a long past incident that you mention only in case it will help them treat you now and of less importance than exactly what hurts where.