Spotlight help for parent please.

elsien

Kitchen full of spotlights some of which need new bulbs. As best as she can tell they are E27 shape R63.

Her preference would be to get them from a high street shop so she can take the bulb in and compare but they seem to be the ES fittings - not a clue what the difference is.

Can someone a) point us at the equivalent to the bulb in the picture and b) explain if there’s a fairly straightforwards way to change the fittings if these are getting harder to come by. 

She’s worried about slightly different sized/shaped bulbs being harder to get out of the existing fittings. 

FreeBear

Anywhere on the high street (John Lewis, etc) is going to be expensive.

Screwfix might have some on the shelf locally - https://www.screwfix.com/p/philips-es-r63-led-light-bulb-210lm-3w/557kr

Or Toolstation - https://www.toolstation.com/led-reflector-lamp/p94181

elsien

Your screwfix link says ES not E27 fitting, Are they the same? 

grumbler

E27 IS Edison Screw (ES) with 27mm screw size. As simple as that.

The most common sizes are E27 and E14 (SES - Small Edison Screw)

fenwick458

the one in the top picture is an R63, that just means the top of it is 63mm and flatter, it's designed to completely fill the opening of the spotlight
any traditional round "GLS" E27 will fit in but there will be a gap,  and if you find a really compact brand they will go into the light fitting and be (a little) harder to remove/fit

Bendy_House

That's a useful pic in your first post, Elsien. It shows that the light output is 300 lm, so that should be your guide when looking for LED replacements.

As said above, these are R63 lamps, the R meaning 'reflector', and the 63 indicating the overall diameter. And ES is the same as E27, and most of these will be that fitting. So finding replacements will be a doddle.

However, I'd strongly urge you go LED if you can. They will save you a significant amount of power, won't get hot and nasty in the fitting, and should outlast filament bulbs many many times.

That's the easy bit. Now it gets more tricky...

Your existing bulb is rated to give a '60W' light output - ie the amount of light you'd expect from a normal incandescent filament bulb. Your actual bulb there is actually a 'halogen' type, and these are brighter given the same power. Your example therefore consumes only 40W but gives out the equivalent of 60W. Great, but they do tend to 'pop' before too long.

When you look for an LED replacement, you should check either the 'lm' output, or else the 'light output equivalent in W' - ie what a normal bulb would give. So, you are looking for at least 300lm, or '60W' equivalent.

Philips' bulbs are great, but I notice that the one in SF is only 210lm, or 40W. They will therefore be noticeably duller than your existing ones.

The Toolstation LED is crazy the other way - it claims 780lm (from a 9W LED), which - in theory - would make it an eye-watering 150W equivalent. But it clearly isn't.

Ahgaaaawd - it's sooo confusing.

What I would suggest, then, is check the LED ones to give a '60W equivalent'.

Oh, are your mum's lamps on a dimmer?

Bendy_House

I'm not personally recommending these, as I know nothing about them, but I think it's the sort of thing you should be looking for: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154784648308?_trkparms=ispr=1&hash=item2409e24c74:g:U8cAAOSwjGBh2FQe&amdata=enc:AQAGAAACkPYe5NmHp%2B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsStEKTPzZMfQmny3knR97t0NzRwSXNg%2BiQQ%2FYe4OY4Up4fO07756aUcJY8P4t3d1KTYz8jtWPd8%2FVtn%2Bn%2BPXWaNHa76DE6GgFrsF8EviLAjib5T0Lort60PaqB01%2FAifp1RT4d3XkxxeCJxX8Yp0GIVmy5dFFGdTvLyRdkp3Fv8fY2bVu8GpU0xlaCp2b%2B%2FSh5DyN5m9YWc6qPIQiMS3RABTwi1pH0VtiK2neBW2zcv116msajOp1Y3%2BRTbL0wMzTeeeF8NsMmgNVpytYqM9sEAEd4%2FuKMD2lOav20wjG9%2FvWqPPbBuN%2FNuNOTShGDQkS3cIGT4IRL8YH7pJxA3H4cU0UNQiLGanzG%2B2UEpg1LfOJ0hOYOYXSiwnsxU1IcsWH7rMFtmSjwoJA4686wUlBdzsxP%2Fd0KDb0k1YVMZCT6NLwiOO7I%2FG%2BBS5ePnktLL5Vl7ZpcQ%2BAWzD36HELiyLJJFJw0ReyX%2BeLO4PjhTmMytrQEp49HxGHRGtvIFSiopUdmmIPrz4cLD2UguCpxZ68PBfMx4f%2B4GvilgbyqXe9UZu3pS4RfY33hFhpFSjYWW%2Bvh1JORteULN7fHe8B8KdDZRc9cWjwiLj0SsxBXv7JjzlQ1jfGAaedfu%2Fa98ZxXpCh%2FbBH4My4UL8tclGmXuHfEjFeeDmA10AeGXW6eaXpyGubi67%2BMQPRN1nnwynxs25uKodoVgXGP6s3q9tSZRrk%2BDQUBF3ReEPOOjvy5PtggplfcjAfmEVrR5xR5togmB0E9vO9fTf%2B3E%2BtHXWipiJyfDGwStf5Rap2JO2sqY0gGPkgQk%2BRx9Oe6cPE1E5a349or|clp:2334524|tkp:BFBMypX209Rf

And then there's the agony of choosing warm...coool...day... I think that the nice clean light of a halogen is 'cool' (but not cold...)

Bendy_House

Good value and reviews: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292721630768?hash=item4427919e30:g:z4EAAOSwfBFblqjt#rwid

(Again, I know now't about them).

elsien

Thank you @Bendy_House for that comprehensive explanation.  Life was  so much easier when a bulb was just a bulb.

No dimmer, which removes one complication. 

fenwick458

Bendy_House said:

The Toolstation LED is crazy the other way - it claims 780lm (from a 9W LED), which - in theory - would make it an eye-watering 150W equivalent. But it clearly isn't.

bit off on your conversions,
800lumens is equivalent to a 60W incandescent bulb
whats confusing I think is the old R63 packet, it looks to be a 46W halogen and states it's comparable to an incandescent 60W, but for some reason it's only 300lm, not sure why maybe something to do with the reflector design...?
also the link to the longlife lamp co, I'd avoid them, they won't last as long, and if they do you'll wish they wouldn't as the colour rendering is horrible, you get a bit a strobe with them, and they create a lot of interreference.  try and stick to branded lamps like phillips, osram, bell, megaman or even the morissons or tesco own brand ones are good for the price. also screwfix LAP ones are good value

Bendy_House

Thanks, Fen. Yes, a lot of the lumen figures just don't add up. Best stick with 'W' equivalent?

I'd also agree with quality - I only buy Philips' Warmglow GLS lamps now - they dim in a perfect way, and give a lovely natural light.