Settle a liability debate?

Sandtree

Shunts are slightly different because there will always be the question of the sequencing... did car 2 hit the rear of car 1 and then car 3 hit rear of car 2 or did car 3 hit car 2 and push them into car 1

In these circumstances are car 1 is effectively an independent witness and how many "bumps" they felt, in the absence of CCTV/Dashcam is a good yard stick if the other two parties dont agree what happened.

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scrappy_returns said:

I know people that have brake checked others and taken no liability from the resulting crash.

Sure, with no dash cam footage that could well happen. Even if the BMW behind is on your bumper and are at fault for not leaving space, if you brake check them and they crash or report you and have footage of you doing it, plod may well come and have a word with you and insurer might well be less favourable

DB1904

sevenhills said:

Flight3287462 said:

This type of shunt will become more common when cars (that don't indicate left) stop to let a pedestrian cross the road.

MSM, meaning that you should check your mirrors before doing a manoeuvre, so you should only stop if it's safe to do so.

Although the driver in front cannot read minds.

So are you saying if it's unsafe to stop you should run over the pedestrians?

Car_54

sevenhills said:

Flight3287462 said:

This type of shunt will become more common when cars (that don't indicate left) stop to let a pedestrian cross the road.

MSM, meaning that you should check your mirrors before doing a manoeuvre, so you should only stop if it's safe to do so.

Although the driver in front cannot read minds.

An emergency stop is one manoeuvre where MSM is not appropriate.

scrappy_returns

Deleted_User said:

scrappy_returns said:

I know people that have brake checked others and taken no liability from the resulting crash.

Sure, with no dash cam footage that could well happen. Even if the BMW behind is on your bumper and are at fault for not leaving space, if you brake check them and they crash or report you and have footage of you doing it, plod may well come and have a word with you and insurer might well be less favourable

No, not could well happen, it's happened. No questions asked by either party insurers. Settled in less than 16hours, no police interest. With dash cam footage it could well be different but that's not something I know about.

EssexExile

You've come onto an internet forum to settle a debate? 

elsien

EssexExile said:

You've come onto an internet forum to settle a debate? 

I’m an optimist. Or deluded. One or the other.

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eamon said:

Some years ago I was in a 4 car shunt on a M Way. I was car number 2 & car No 4 was found to be at fault. Cars 3 & 4 had the most damage.

I had something very similar, the cop taking our statement pretty much wrote the statement himself, nothing more was heard on the matter.

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scrappy_returns said:

Deleted_User said:

scrappy_returns said:

I know people that have brake checked others and taken no liability from the resulting crash.

Sure, with no dash cam footage that could well happen. Even if the BMW behind is on your bumper and are at fault for not leaving space, if you brake check them and they crash or report you and have footage of you doing it, plod may well come and have a word with you and insurer might well be less favourable

No, not could well happen, it's happened. No questions asked by either party insurers. Settled in less than 16hours, no police interest. With dash cam footage it could well be different but that's not something I know about.

That's what I said, it could well happen that someone gets away with it. The number of cars with dash cams now though, means there is a very good chance that brake checking someone will be caught by the person behind or a witness

scrappy_returns

Deleted_User said:

scrappy_returns said:

Deleted_User said:

scrappy_returns said:

I know people that have brake checked others and taken no liability from the resulting crash.

Sure, with no dash cam footage that could well happen. Even if the BMW behind is on your bumper and are at fault for not leaving space, if you brake check them and they crash or report you and have footage of you doing it, plod may well come and have a word with you and insurer might well be less favourable

No, not could well happen, it's happened. No questions asked by either party insurers. Settled in less than 16hours, no police interest. With dash cam footage it could well be different but that's not something I know about.

That's what I said, it could well happen that someone gets away with it. The number of cars with dash cams now though, means there is a very good chance that brake checking someone will be caught by the person behind or a witness

It has happened, not could well.