New Desktop Advice Please

interstellaflyer

getmore4less said:

googler said:

getmore4less said:

interstellaflyer said:

Doing a fresh install is very easy, probably just as easy as using the cloning software

That assumes the OP has something suitable to put the image on.

Not everyone has suitable media hanging around, I didn't when I did mine.

A USB drive takes a day or so to arrive from Amazon...

Exactly my point it stops being as easy and adds cost to a simple clone.

Also time as the SSD should arrive today if ordered yesterday that's another day if not on the same order.

That said...
Even a clone needs a cable that may not be to hand like a dvd in the case that can be borrowed


My first SSD came with the USB SATA  cable many don't come with anything

Not everyone has a box of bits.

No, you are just trying to make it sound difficult and a hassle when it isn't, all you need is a USB stick with a capacity of more than 8GB, something that is readily available on the high street or your local supermarket.

OnlyTheBestWillDo

GDB2222 said:

I really don’t think a 1TB SSD is an extravagance these days. It makes life simpler to have everything on a single SSD, and that’s  worth paying for.

A simple USB enclosure would make the old hard drive available for backup.

£75 + £17 for a "simple USB enclosure" on a 14 year old device, is an extravagance. The suggestion was to spend £30 on a Crucial MX500 250 GB and add RAM to taste. £5 per 4GB RAM module. £2 for a SATA cable to have the old HDD as internal storage. 

Under £40 and as good as the device will ever get. Spending £100 won't bring superior performance nor convenience.

Perhaps you can explain how life is simpler having all of your data on a single drive and why it is worth paying £92 rather than £32 for the alleged benefit.

I think many would prefer to have their data on a separate internal drive, rather than the much accessed Windows boot drive. But you seem to think their lives would be simpler if it were all on one drive and they should be happy to pay for that.

So tell us....

GDB2222

OnlyTheBestWillDo said:

GDB2222 said:

I really don’t think a 1TB SSD is an extravagance these days. It makes life simpler to have everything on a single SSD, and that’s  worth paying for.

A simple USB enclosure would make the old hard drive available for backup.

£75 + £17 for a "simple USB enclosure" on a 14 year old device, is an extravagance. The suggestion was to spend £30 on a Crucial MX500 250 GB and add RAM to taste. £5 per 4GB RAM module. £2 for a SATA cable to have the old HDD as internal storage. 

Under £40 and as good as the device will ever get. Spending £100 won't bring superior performance nor convenience.

Perhaps you can explain how life is simpler having all of your data on a single drive and why it is worth paying £92 rather than £32 for the alleged benefit.

I think many would prefer to have their data on a separate internal drive, rather than the much accessed Windows boot drive. But you seem to think their lives would be simpler if it were all on one drive and they should be happy to pay for that.

So tell us....

Yes, it  would  be an extravagant thing to do if the OP had to throw the1TB SSD out with the 14 year old PC.  

GDB2222

@OnlyTheBestWillDo you seem to think that there are only two ways to do something: your way, and the wrong way. Life is a bit more nuanced than that.

interstellaflyer

getmore4less said:

googler said:

getmore4less said:

interstellaflyer said:

Doing a fresh install is very easy, probably just as easy as using the cloning software

That assumes the OP has something suitable to put the image on.

Not everyone has suitable media hanging around, I didn't when I did mine.

A USB drive takes a day or so to arrive from Amazon...

Exactly my point it stops being as easy and adds cost to a simple clone.

Also time as the SSD should arrive today if ordered yesterday that's another day if not on the same order.

That said...
Even a clone needs a cable that may not be to hand like a dvd in the case that can be borrowed


My first SSD came with the USB SATA  cable many don't come with anything

Not everyone has a box of bits.

I've never had a USB to SATA lead supplied with any SSD I've bought and I can assure you none is supplied with Crucial SSDs so to clone the Hard Drive the OP would also need to buy either a USB to SATA lead or an enclosure so no less hassle than buying a memory stick and SATA cable

https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-SATA-Adapter-Cable-Drives-en-GB-SATA-USB-3-0-converter/dp/B01N2JIQR7/ref=sr_1_3?crid=11GX4BR75H0B&keywords=usb+to+sata+adapter&qid=1640683742&sprefix=USB+to+SATA,aps,149&sr=8-3

GDB2222

It means that you have exhausted my patience, with your insistence that you know best.

Let me simply repeat that there are often multiple perfectly valid solutions to a problem. You need to come to terms with the concept that a solution that you would not have chosen is not necessarily wrong. 

The aim of this forum is to help people, and that includes acceptance of solutions that suit them but which would not suit you. 

I have no wish to get into an endless “discussion” about this. 

OnlyTheBestWillDo

GDB2222 said:

It means that you have exhausted my patience, with your insistence that you know best.

Again it appears you are discussing OnlyThe Best, rather than debating your advice on Desktop Advice.
I guess that means that you cannot defend your rather flippant comment, so instead to to create a diversion by trying to get 'personal'.
If you've no more 'advice' for the OP, I'm sure there are other threads in need of your artistic licence. Merry Christmas to you

getmore4less

interstellaflyer said:

getmore4less said:

googler said:

getmore4less said:

interstellaflyer said:

Doing a fresh install is very easy, probably just as easy as using the cloning software

That assumes the OP has something suitable to put the image on.

Not everyone has suitable media hanging around, I didn't when I did mine.

A USB drive takes a day or so to arrive from Amazon...

Exactly my point it stops being as easy and adds cost to a simple clone.

Also time as the SSD should arrive today if ordered yesterday that's another day if not on the same order.

That said...
Even a clone needs a cable that may not be to hand like a dvd in the case that can be borrowed


My first SSD came with the USB SATA  cable many don't come with anything

Not everyone has a box of bits.

I've never had a USB to SATA lead supplied with any SSD I've bought and I can assure you none is supplied with Crucial SSDs so to clone the Hard Drive the OP would also need to buy either a USB to SATA lead or an enclosure so no less hassle than buying a memory stick and SATA cable

https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-SATA-Adapter-Cable-Drives-en-GB-SATA-USB-3-0-converter/dp/B01N2JIQR7/ref=sr_1_3?crid=11GX4BR75H0B&keywords=usb+to+sata+adapter&qid=1640683742&sprefix=USB+to+SATA,aps,149&sr=8-3

Just because you have never had one does not mean they don't.

got a few Cruicials that don't(they do a add on kit), Samsung had(may still) the option of a kit for desk or lappy or bare drive

No need for external stuff just adding more complications.

Pretty sure the motherboard will have more than one SATA  so just a cable if there is not one in there already that could be borrowed (like from a DVD drive).

interstellaflyer

getmore4less said:

interstellaflyer said:

getmore4less said:

googler said:

getmore4less said:

interstellaflyer said:

Doing a fresh install is very easy, probably just as easy as using the cloning software

That assumes the OP has something suitable to put the image on.

Not everyone has suitable media hanging around, I didn't when I did mine.

A USB drive takes a day or so to arrive from Amazon...

Exactly my point it stops being as easy and adds cost to a simple clone.

Also time as the SSD should arrive today if ordered yesterday that's another day if not on the same order.

That said...
Even a clone needs a cable that may not be to hand like a dvd in the case that can be borrowed


My first SSD came with the USB SATA  cable many don't come with anything

Not everyone has a box of bits.

I've never had a USB to SATA lead supplied with any SSD I've bought and I can assure you none is supplied with Crucial SSDs so to clone the Hard Drive the OP would also need to buy either a USB to SATA lead or an enclosure so no less hassle than buying a memory stick and SATA cable

https://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-SATA-Adapter-Cable-Drives-en-GB-SATA-USB-3-0-converter/dp/B01N2JIQR7/ref=sr_1_3?crid=11GX4BR75H0B&keywords=usb+to+sata+adapter&qid=1640683742&sprefix=USB+to+SATA,aps,149&sr=8-3

Just because you have never had one does not mean they don't.

I've bought both MX and BX series Crucial SSDs they don't come with an adaptor lead and as the OP stated they'd ordered a Crucial MX series SSD what I said was relevant, by the way I've also bought Samsung and Kingston SSDs along with some budget brand ones never have any of them come with an adaptor lead, some of the budget ones don't even come with access via a website to cloning software.   The simplest way for then Op would've been to buy a lower capacity SSD and used it as the boot drive with a fresh windows install and the existing HDD used as a storage drive.

jamesd

OnlyTheBestWillDo said:

Under £40 and as good as the device will ever get. Spending £100 won't bring superior performance nor convenience.

As Seagate explains in moderate detail in SSD Over-Provisioning And Its Benefits, more space can be expected to result in faster non-sequential performance, with even just 30% over-provisioning expected to produce a doubling of random write throughput on a typical SSD.

In general, it's good to have a fair bit of free space on SSDs. greyteam1959 might do that by storing bulk data and archival things on the spinning disk and keeping the more frequently accessed or time-sensitive things on the SSD as well as having a nicely sized SSD.

Similarly, it's nice and convenient just to clone and to have everything on a relatively fast SSD if desired, particularly given the fairly low cost of that convenience compared to the original buy another computer plan.

Net result is that the bigger SSD is going to improve both speed and convenience and of course greyteam1959 has recognised at least the convenience benefit already in going for the larger drive.