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DoneWorking said:DoneWorking said:I am looking for the best option for what to do with a lump sum of around £400k as from JanuaryI have a fair pension and very little outgoings and do not need to secure any income from this moneyHowever I do want to protect it from inflation so I can bequeath it to my wife after I pass on which will be probably in ten years time
I do not want to risk the sum being eroded by inflationNor eroded by poor investments
What is my best optionMy only ever investment was a small pension sum
A friend has a similar sum invested and says his return has been 8 % total over three years
This is not going to beat inflation but he is risk adverse and stuck on a cautious investment plan
Are there any bonds or saving schemes which could net me 3 to 4 % after costs gross
Or is investment my only option
I have seen two IFAs but not been impressed by the costs and the proposed plans
I am keen on ESG focused investmentsBased on cautious risk ESG investment portfolio based on my wife and I
Based on a Unit TrustBased on £325 k1% Initial Report0.5% ongoing IFA fee paPlatform/Fund 0.75 pa
They feel they can protect my funds from inflation over the long term and there will be volatility in the short to medium term period
Do these charges look ok
This is a smallish companyWhat may happen if the owner retires or sells the business
Does the claim to match inflation seem ok based on a cautious fund
Most IFAs are small localised companies. What happens when the owners retire is unknown but you are free to stay with the new owners or move to a different IFA. Moving between IFAs is very simple.
You would expect cautious to keep up with inflation over the long term but not much else. You certainly shouldn't expect the next 10 years to be anything like the last 10 years in respect of defensive, conservative or cautious portfolios or even medium risk. Those good days are gone for a cycle now.
I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.0 -
dunstonh said:DoneWorking said:DoneWorking said:I am looking for the best option for what to do with a lump sum of around £400k as from JanuaryI have a fair pension and very little outgoings and do not need to secure any income from this moneyHowever I do want to protect it from inflation so I can bequeath it to my wife after I pass on which will be probably in ten years time
I do not want to risk the sum being eroded by inflationNor eroded by poor investments
What is my best optionMy only ever investment was a small pension sum
A friend has a similar sum invested and says his return has been 8 % total over three years
This is not going to beat inflation but he is risk adverse and stuck on a cautious investment plan
Are there any bonds or saving schemes which could net me 3 to 4 % after costs gross
Or is investment my only option
I have seen two IFAs but not been impressed by the costs and the proposed plans
I am keen on ESG focused investmentsBased on cautious risk ESG investment portfolio based on my wife and I
Based on a Unit TrustBased on £325 k1% Initial Report0.5% ongoing IFA fee paPlatform/Fund 0.75 pa
They feel they can protect my funds from inflation over the long term and there will be volatility in the short to medium term period
Do these charges look ok
This is a smallish companyWhat may happen if the owner retires or sells the business
Does the claim to match inflation seem ok based on a cautious fund
Most IFAs are small localised companies. What happens when the owners retire is unknown but you are free to stay with the new owners or move to a different IFA. Moving between IFAs is very simple.
You would expect cautious to keep up with inflation over the long term but not much else. You certainly shouldn't expect the next 10 years to be anything like the last 10 years in respect of defensive, conservative or cautious portfolios or even medium risk. Those good days are gone for a cycle now.
I'm looking to protect my fund from inflation over at least 5 years but more likely 10 years
Do you advise going with this option
I don't really want to leave my funds to the ravages of inflation0 -
DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:
Does the claim to match inflation seem ok based on a cautious fundI'm too anxious to take a higher riskHence return after fees is not going to beat or even match inflationParticularly on an ESG Portfolio
The savings options are likely to give me less than 2% return
I'm too hold and infirm to start a business
I have no appetite for property
Do I have any other options
Low risk bonds will yield very little even before inflation and the costs of an advised portfolio. If you have only a small proportion of equities, you are hoping for an absolutely stellar performance from them to make up for rampant inflation on the whole portfolio.
You can use 5 year savings accounts, with one maturing every year. You can buy a global tracker on a cheap DIY platform. If you allocate 50% to the savings accounts and 50% to the global tracker, you have got a good chance of beating inflation, and should not be wiped out.
As far as ESG is concerned. It is fashionable, and fashionable investments usually do not do well. It is also usually more profitable to invest in peoples' vices rather than their virtues.0 -
DoneWorking said:dunstonh said:DoneWorking said:DoneWorking said:I am looking for the best option for what to do with a lump sum of around £400k as from JanuaryI have a fair pension and very little outgoings and do not need to secure any income from this moneyHowever I do want to protect it from inflation so I can bequeath it to my wife after I pass on which will be probably in ten years time
I do not want to risk the sum being eroded by inflationNor eroded by poor investments
What is my best optionMy only ever investment was a small pension sum
A friend has a similar sum invested and says his return has been 8 % total over three years
This is not going to beat inflation but he is risk adverse and stuck on a cautious investment plan
Are there any bonds or saving schemes which could net me 3 to 4 % after costs gross
Or is investment my only option
I have seen two IFAs but not been impressed by the costs and the proposed plans
I am keen on ESG focused investmentsBased on cautious risk ESG investment portfolio based on my wife and I
Based on a Unit TrustBased on £325 k1% Initial Report0.5% ongoing IFA fee paPlatform/Fund 0.75 pa
They feel they can protect my funds from inflation over the long term and there will be volatility in the short to medium term period
Do these charges look ok
This is a smallish companyWhat may happen if the owner retires or sells the business
Does the claim to match inflation seem ok based on a cautious fund
Most IFAs are small localised companies. What happens when the owners retire is unknown but you are free to stay with the new owners or move to a different IFA. Moving between IFAs is very simple.
You would expect cautious to keep up with inflation over the long term but not much else. You certainly shouldn't expect the next 10 years to be anything like the last 10 years in respect of defensive, conservative or cautious portfolios or even medium risk. Those good days are gone for a cycle now.
I'm looking to protect my fund from inflation over at least 5 years but more likely 10 years
Do you advise going with this option
I don't really want to leave my funds to the ravages of inflation
5 years is too short a term to give any realistic view as to whether a portfolio will beat inflation or not. 10 years would be more realistic as an expectation to beat inflation but there have been some rare 10 year periods when it hasn't happened. However, cash would be worse. So, you are effectively stuck between cash, where you know it wont beat inflation and investing where you know it could do and historically does so in most long term periods but will zig zag around in short term periods.
I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.0 -
GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:
Does the claim to match inflation seem ok based on a cautious fundI'm too anxious to take a higher riskHence return after fees is not going to beat or even match inflationParticularly on an ESG Portfolio
The savings options are likely to give me less than 2% return
I'm too hold and infirm to start a business
I have no appetite for property
Do I have any other options
Low risk bonds will yield very little even before inflation and the costs of an advised portfolio. If you have only a small proportion of equities, you are hoping for an absolutely stellar performance from them to make up for rampant inflation on the whole portfolio.
You can use 5 year savings accounts, with one maturing every year. You can buy a global tracker on a cheap DIY platform. If you allocate 50% to the savings accounts and 50% to the global tracker, you have got a good chance of beating inflation, and should not be wiped out.
As far as ESG is concerned. It is fashionable, and fashionable investments usually do not do well. It is also usually more profitable to invest in peoples' vices rather than their virtues.
It's money saved over a lifetime of work to provide my wife and I with financial security in old ageIt would be there to pay any unforseen bills in futurePlus top up our spending if we get into any unforseen problems
"You can use 5 year savings accounts, with one maturing every year. You can buy a global tracker on a cheap DIY platform. If you allocate 50% to the savings accounts and 50% to the global tracker, you have got a good chance of beating inflation, and should not be wiped out."
Would I set up a five year savings account each year until I reach the value of 50% of my fundsWho would set up the Global Tracker for the other 50%
Or where would I find one that's simple to set up
"As far as ESG is concerned. It is fashionable, and fashionable investments usually do not do well. It is also usually more profitable to invest in peoples' vices rather than their virtues"
Some people say ESG is starting to achieve better returns than standard investements0 -
DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:
Does the claim to match inflation seem ok based on a cautious fundI'm too anxious to take a higher riskHence return after fees is not going to beat or even match inflationParticularly on an ESG Portfolio
The savings options are likely to give me less than 2% return
I'm too hold and infirm to start a business
I have no appetite for property
Do I have any other options
Low risk bonds will yield very little even before inflation and the costs of an advised portfolio. If you have only a small proportion of equities, you are hoping for an absolutely stellar performance from them to make up for rampant inflation on the whole portfolio.
You can use 5 year savings accounts, with one maturing every year. You can buy a global tracker on a cheap DIY platform. If you allocate 50% to the savings accounts and 50% to the global tracker, you have got a good chance of beating inflation, and should not be wiped out.
As far as ESG is concerned. It is fashionable, and fashionable investments usually do not do well. It is also usually more profitable to invest in peoples' vices rather than their virtues.
It's money saved over a lifetime of work to provide my wife and I with financial security in old ageIt would be there to pay any unforseen bills in futurePlus top up our spending if we get into any unforseen problems
"You can use 5 year savings accounts, with one maturing every year. You can buy a global tracker on a cheap DIY platform. If you allocate 50% to the savings accounts and 50% to the global tracker, you have got a good chance of beating inflation, and should not be wiped out."
Would I set up a five year savings account each year until I reach the value of 50% of my fundsWho would set up the Global Tracker for the other 50%
Or where would I find one that's simple to set up
"As far as ESG is concerned. It is fashionable, and fashionable investments usually do not do well. It is also usually more profitable to invest in peoples' vices rather than their virtues"
Some people say ESG is starting to achieve better returns than standard investements£325K is a lot to pay for unforseen bills (except for care).
£162.5K in savings accounts and £162.5k in a global tracker would appear to be reasonable if you are just retiring (as your screen name suggests) and probably will not have huge care costs.
You would set up a five year savings acoount ladder by investing equal amounts in cash, a 1 year bond, a 2 year bond, a 3 year bond, a 4 year bond, and a 5 year bond. After that whenever a bond matures, you reinvest in a 5 year bond (currently paying 2.4%).
Buying a global tracker is dead simple. Open an account with (for example) iWeb:
https://www.iweb-sharedealing.co.uk/
Pay in your money. Put in a order to buy (for example) this fund:
https://www.markets.iweb-sharedealing.co.uk/funds-centre/fund-supermarket/detail/GB00BMJJJF91
It is no more difficult than using an online bank account. You can put up to £20K per year into an ISA. (You and your wife can both do that in separate iWeb accounts. Interactive Investor will do joint accounts.) I expect that you discussed pensions with your IFA. You have not mentioned that, so I assume that you are already maxed out there.1 -
GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:
Does the claim to match inflation seem ok based on a cautious fundI'm too anxious to take a higher riskHence return after fees is not going to beat or even match inflationParticularly on an ESG Portfolio
The savings options are likely to give me less than 2% return
I'm too hold and infirm to start a business
I have no appetite for property
Do I have any other options
Low risk bonds will yield very little even before inflation and the costs of an advised portfolio. If you have only a small proportion of equities, you are hoping for an absolutely stellar performance from them to make up for rampant inflation on the whole portfolio.
You can use 5 year savings accounts, with one maturing every year. You can buy a global tracker on a cheap DIY platform. If you allocate 50% to the savings accounts and 50% to the global tracker, you have got a good chance of beating inflation, and should not be wiped out.
As far as ESG is concerned. It is fashionable, and fashionable investments usually do not do well. It is also usually more profitable to invest in peoples' vices rather than their virtues.
It's money saved over a lifetime of work to provide my wife and I with financial security in old ageIt would be there to pay any unforseen bills in futurePlus top up our spending if we get into any unforseen problems
"You can use 5 year savings accounts, with one maturing every year. You can buy a global tracker on a cheap DIY platform. If you allocate 50% to the savings accounts and 50% to the global tracker, you have got a good chance of beating inflation, and should not be wiped out."
Would I set up a five year savings account each year until I reach the value of 50% of my fundsWho would set up the Global Tracker for the other 50%
Or where would I find one that's simple to set up
"As far as ESG is concerned. It is fashionable, and fashionable investments usually do not do well. It is also usually more profitable to invest in peoples' vices rather than their virtues"
Some people say ESG is starting to achieve better returns than standard investements£325K is a lot to pay for unforseen bills (except for care).
£162.5K in savings accounts and £162.5k in a global tracker would appear to be reasonable if you are just retiring (as your screen name suggests) and probably will not have huge care costs.
You would set up a five year savings acoount ladder by investing equal amounts in cash, a 1 year bond, a 2 year bond, a 3 year bond, a 4 year bond, and a 5 year bond. After that whenever a bond matures, you reinvest in a 5 year bond (currently paying 2.4%).
Buying a global tracker is dead simple. Open an account with (for example) iWeb:
https://www.iweb-sharedealing.co.uk/
Pay in your money. Put in a order to buy (for example) this fund:
https://www.markets.iweb-sharedealing.co.uk/funds-centre/fund-supermarket/detail/GB00BMJJJF91
It is no more difficult than using an online bank account. You can put up to £20K per year into an ISA. (You and your wife can both do that in separate iWeb accounts. Interactive Investor will do joint accounts.) I expect that you discussed pensions with your IFA. You have not mentioned that, so I assume that you are already maxed out there.
I will check those out
What about either Nutmeg Fully Managed Portfolio or the Smart Alpha Portfolio
Would these be okOr are they too pricey0 -
DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:
Does the claim to match inflation seem ok based on a cautious fundI'm too anxious to take a higher riskHence return after fees is not going to beat or even match inflationParticularly on an ESG Portfolio
The savings options are likely to give me less than 2% return
I'm too hold and infirm to start a business
I have no appetite for property
Do I have any other options
Low risk bonds will yield very little even before inflation and the costs of an advised portfolio. If you have only a small proportion of equities, you are hoping for an absolutely stellar performance from them to make up for rampant inflation on the whole portfolio.
You can use 5 year savings accounts, with one maturing every year. You can buy a global tracker on a cheap DIY platform. If you allocate 50% to the savings accounts and 50% to the global tracker, you have got a good chance of beating inflation, and should not be wiped out.
As far as ESG is concerned. It is fashionable, and fashionable investments usually do not do well. It is also usually more profitable to invest in peoples' vices rather than their virtues.
It's money saved over a lifetime of work to provide my wife and I with financial security in old ageIt would be there to pay any unforseen bills in futurePlus top up our spending if we get into any unforseen problems
"You can use 5 year savings accounts, with one maturing every year. You can buy a global tracker on a cheap DIY platform. If you allocate 50% to the savings accounts and 50% to the global tracker, you have got a good chance of beating inflation, and should not be wiped out."
Would I set up a five year savings account each year until I reach the value of 50% of my fundsWho would set up the Global Tracker for the other 50%
Or where would I find one that's simple to set up
"As far as ESG is concerned. It is fashionable, and fashionable investments usually do not do well. It is also usually more profitable to invest in peoples' vices rather than their virtues"
Some people say ESG is starting to achieve better returns than standard investements£325K is a lot to pay for unforseen bills (except for care).
£162.5K in savings accounts and £162.5k in a global tracker would appear to be reasonable if you are just retiring (as your screen name suggests) and probably will not have huge care costs.
You would set up a five year savings acoount ladder by investing equal amounts in cash, a 1 year bond, a 2 year bond, a 3 year bond, a 4 year bond, and a 5 year bond. After that whenever a bond matures, you reinvest in a 5 year bond (currently paying 2.4%).
Buying a global tracker is dead simple. Open an account with (for example) iWeb:
https://www.iweb-sharedealing.co.uk/
Pay in your money. Put in a order to buy (for example) this fund:
https://www.markets.iweb-sharedealing.co.uk/funds-centre/fund-supermarket/detail/GB00BMJJJF91
It is no more difficult than using an online bank account. You can put up to £20K per year into an ISA. (You and your wife can both do that in separate iWeb accounts. Interactive Investor will do joint accounts.) I expect that you discussed pensions with your IFA. You have not mentioned that, so I assume that you are already maxed out there.
I will check those out
What about either Nutmeg Fully Managed Portfolio or the Smart Alpha Portfolio
Would these be ok
Or are they too pricey2 -
GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:
Does the claim to match inflation seem ok based on a cautious fundI'm too anxious to take a higher riskHence return after fees is not going to beat or even match inflationParticularly on an ESG Portfolio
The savings options are likely to give me less than 2% return
I'm too hold and infirm to start a business
I have no appetite for property
Do I have any other options
Low risk bonds will yield very little even before inflation and the costs of an advised portfolio. If you have only a small proportion of equities, you are hoping for an absolutely stellar performance from them to make up for rampant inflation on the whole portfolio.
You can use 5 year savings accounts, with one maturing every year. You can buy a global tracker on a cheap DIY platform. If you allocate 50% to the savings accounts and 50% to the global tracker, you have got a good chance of beating inflation, and should not be wiped out.
As far as ESG is concerned. It is fashionable, and fashionable investments usually do not do well. It is also usually more profitable to invest in peoples' vices rather than their virtues.
It's money saved over a lifetime of work to provide my wife and I with financial security in old ageIt would be there to pay any unforseen bills in futurePlus top up our spending if we get into any unforseen problems
"You can use 5 year savings accounts, with one maturing every year. You can buy a global tracker on a cheap DIY platform. If you allocate 50% to the savings accounts and 50% to the global tracker, you have got a good chance of beating inflation, and should not be wiped out."
Would I set up a five year savings account each year until I reach the value of 50% of my fundsWho would set up the Global Tracker for the other 50%
Or where would I find one that's simple to set up
"As far as ESG is concerned. It is fashionable, and fashionable investments usually do not do well. It is also usually more profitable to invest in peoples' vices rather than their virtues"
Some people say ESG is starting to achieve better returns than standard investements£325K is a lot to pay for unforseen bills (except for care).
£162.5K in savings accounts and £162.5k in a global tracker would appear to be reasonable if you are just retiring (as your screen name suggests) and probably will not have huge care costs.
You would set up a five year savings acoount ladder by investing equal amounts in cash, a 1 year bond, a 2 year bond, a 3 year bond, a 4 year bond, and a 5 year bond. After that whenever a bond matures, you reinvest in a 5 year bond (currently paying 2.4%).
Buying a global tracker is dead simple. Open an account with (for example) iWeb:
https://www.iweb-sharedealing.co.uk/
Pay in your money. Put in a order to buy (for example) this fund:
https://www.markets.iweb-sharedealing.co.uk/funds-centre/fund-supermarket/detail/GB00BMJJJF91
It is no more difficult than using an online bank account. You can put up to £20K per year into an ISA. (You and your wife can both do that in separate iWeb accounts. Interactive Investor will do joint accounts.) I expect that you discussed pensions with your IFA. You have not mentioned that, so I assume that you are already maxed out there.
I will check those out
What about either Nutmeg Fully Managed Portfolio or the Smart Alpha Portfolio
Would these be ok
Or are they too pricey
Where can I take a look at these bondsTo avoid confusion
Are you saying do a mix of savings and bonds
Or just bonds
Are the bonds protected by FSCS0 -
DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:GeoffTF said:DoneWorking said:
Does the claim to match inflation seem ok based on a cautious fundI'm too anxious to take a higher riskHence return after fees is not going to beat or even match inflationParticularly on an ESG Portfolio
The savings options are likely to give me less than 2% return
I'm too hold and infirm to start a business
I have no appetite for property
Do I have any other options
Low risk bonds will yield very little even before inflation and the costs of an advised portfolio. If you have only a small proportion of equities, you are hoping for an absolutely stellar performance from them to make up for rampant inflation on the whole portfolio.
You can use 5 year savings accounts, with one maturing every year. You can buy a global tracker on a cheap DIY platform. If you allocate 50% to the savings accounts and 50% to the global tracker, you have got a good chance of beating inflation, and should not be wiped out.
As far as ESG is concerned. It is fashionable, and fashionable investments usually do not do well. It is also usually more profitable to invest in peoples' vices rather than their virtues.
It's money saved over a lifetime of work to provide my wife and I with financial security in old ageIt would be there to pay any unforseen bills in futurePlus top up our spending if we get into any unforseen problems
"You can use 5 year savings accounts, with one maturing every year. You can buy a global tracker on a cheap DIY platform. If you allocate 50% to the savings accounts and 50% to the global tracker, you have got a good chance of beating inflation, and should not be wiped out."
Would I set up a five year savings account each year until I reach the value of 50% of my fundsWho would set up the Global Tracker for the other 50%
Or where would I find one that's simple to set up
"As far as ESG is concerned. It is fashionable, and fashionable investments usually do not do well. It is also usually more profitable to invest in peoples' vices rather than their virtues"
Some people say ESG is starting to achieve better returns than standard investements£325K is a lot to pay for unforseen bills (except for care).
£162.5K in savings accounts and £162.5k in a global tracker would appear to be reasonable if you are just retiring (as your screen name suggests) and probably will not have huge care costs.
You would set up a five year savings acoount ladder by investing equal amounts in cash, a 1 year bond, a 2 year bond, a 3 year bond, a 4 year bond, and a 5 year bond. After that whenever a bond matures, you reinvest in a 5 year bond (currently paying 2.4%).
Buying a global tracker is dead simple. Open an account with (for example) iWeb:
https://www.iweb-sharedealing.co.uk/
Pay in your money. Put in a order to buy (for example) this fund:
https://www.markets.iweb-sharedealing.co.uk/funds-centre/fund-supermarket/detail/GB00BMJJJF91
It is no more difficult than using an online bank account. You can put up to £20K per year into an ISA. (You and your wife can both do that in separate iWeb accounts. Interactive Investor will do joint accounts.) I expect that you discussed pensions with your IFA. You have not mentioned that, so I assume that you are already maxed out there.
I will check those out
What about either Nutmeg Fully Managed Portfolio or the Smart Alpha Portfolio
Would these be ok
Or are they too pricey
Where can I take a look at these bondsTo avoid confusion
Are you saying do a mix of savings and bonds
Or just bonds
Are the bonds protected by FSCS
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/savings/savings-accounts-best-interest/
Outside a tax shelter, bonds traded on the financial markets have an unfavourable tax treatment if they are "above par" as many (most?) of them will be currently. Distributions from multi-asset funds with less than 60% equities are taxed as income rather than dividends, which is unfavourable. Working out the tax for robo-advisers outside of a tax shelter will be very complicated. Given your level of knowledge, you will need to hire an accountant to fill in your tax returns, so it will pay to keep things simple. Savings accounts plus a single global tracker fund is about as simple as you can get.1
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