UPVC Trimming for Doorbell

A123r566

Bendy_House said:

Yes, you can screw through using either a self-taper screw, or drill a pilot hole first.

No option to just 'stick' it, or can they be stolen?

So the fact that that the surface is uneven, and one set of screws is slightly raised compared to the other, wouldn't have much of an affect? (Functionally and cosmetically)

I would hope there's not a major chance of it being stolen but I'd rather have it securely screwed into the wall anyway. I did see a non-drill mount on the Ring website when I was ordering the doorbell but decided against it.

If I wanted to fill in the holes, what would I use? Useful for the future but also the previous home owners had a smaller doorbell screwed into the UPVC and I would want to fill those holes in at some point.

pramsay13

I'm a bit lost, is that outside your house? If so the screws on the outside of the handle mean anyone can unscrew them and would be able to tamper with the spindle.
For the doorbell I would just hold it up to where it is to go and see how it looks sitting at an angle.
Usually these are quite wide angle lenses but if it doesn't look quite right add a small spacer under the one side.
Once it looks right just screw it into place. I wouldn't worry about how it looks if you remove as it will probably be in place for many years and you can always get one the same or a new one a similar size if replacing.

A123r566

pramsay13 said:

I'm a bit lost, is that outside your house? If so the screws on the outside of the handle mean anyone can unscrew them and would be able to tamper with the spindle.
For the doorbell I would just hold it up to where it is to go and see how it looks sitting at an angle.
Usually these are quite wide angle lenses but if it doesn't look quite right add a small spacer under the one side.
Once it looks right just screw it into place. I wouldn't worry about how it looks if you remove as it will probably be in place for many years and you can always get one the same or a new one a similar size if replacing.

No no its inside my house, but the outside looks identical in terms of the trim and I didn't want to step outside in the freezing cold to take a picture haha.

Thanks for the advice. I'm leaning more towards just screwing it in place there rather than on the brick wall over on the side now.

Bendy_House

A123r566 said:

Bendy_House said:

Yes, you can screw through using either a self-taper screw, or drill a pilot hole first.

No option to just 'stick' it, or can they be stolen?

So the fact that that the surface is uneven, and one set of screws is slightly raised compared to the other, wouldn't have much of an affect? (Functionally and cosmetically)

I would hope there's not a major chance of it being stolen but I'd rather have it securely screwed into the wall anyway. I did see a non-drill mount on the Ring website when I was ordering the doorbell but decided against it.

If I wanted to fill in the holes, what would I use? Useful for the future but also the previous home owners had a smaller doorbell screwed into the UPVC and I would want to fill those holes in at some point.

The uneven surface won't affect its functionality, but will have a marginal cosmetic effect which can be taken care of - if you really felt it necessary - by a neat bead of white sealant along the sides and top (not bottom - leave that open in case any water gets trapped behind the Ring (missus!).)

I think I'd set the screws to be either side of that trim, so the Ring body 'pivots' on it in its middle. You then even have the option of tweaking the (presumably 2 down each side?) screws in order to slightly direct the angle of the Ring to face the best direction.

A bead of white frame sealant or silicone, finished off with a rubber Fugi, will leave it spankin'.

When ultimately removed, you'll find 4 raised volcanoes - the hole for the screw, surrounded by a slightly raised surface. You can either stick round caps over these - simple and not too untidy - or else slightly rebate the volc's using, say, a countersinking tool, and then fill and level off using sealant as before. If the sealant is the same shade, it should be a good fix.

Bendy_House

I typed 'sealant' in the above reply, and it was 'spell-corrected' to a very bad 'poo' word, which was exclamation-marked out. What the?

DRP

Bendy_House said:

I typed 'sealant' in the above reply, and it was 'spell-corrected' to a very bad 'poo' word, which was exclamation-marked out. What the?

diarrhoea ? 

A123r566

Bendy_House said:

A123r566 said:

Bendy_House said:

Yes, you can screw through using either a self-taper screw, or drill a pilot hole first.

No option to just 'stick' it, or can they be stolen?

So the fact that that the surface is uneven, and one set of screws is slightly raised compared to the other, wouldn't have much of an affect? (Functionally and cosmetically)

I would hope there's not a major chance of it being stolen but I'd rather have it securely screwed into the wall anyway. I did see a non-drill mount on the Ring website when I was ordering the doorbell but decided against it.

If I wanted to fill in the holes, what would I use? Useful for the future but also the previous home owners had a smaller doorbell screwed into the UPVC and I would want to fill those holes in at some point.

The uneven surface won't affect its functionality, but will have a marginal cosmetic effect which can be taken care of - if you really felt it necessary - by a neat bead of white sealant along the sides and top (not bottom - leave that open in case any water gets trapped behind the Ring (missus!).)

I think I'd set the screws to be either side of that trim, so the Ring body 'pivots' on it in its middle. You then even have the option of tweaking the (presumably 2 down each side?) screws in order to slightly direct the angle of the Ring to face the best direction.

A bead of white frame sealant or silicone, finished off with a rubber Fugi, will leave it spankin'.

When ultimately removed, you'll find 4 raised volcanoes - the hole for the screw, surrounded by a slightly raised surface. You can either stick round caps over these - simple and not too untidy - or else slightly rebate the volc's using, say, a countersinking tool, and then fill and level off using sealant as before. If the sealant is the same shade, it should be a good fix.

Thanks. By pivot, you mean placing the doorbell directly on the trim and screwing it either side? I had thought about it, but then I thought, wouldn't the screws be visible since thered be a slight gap. Because of the trim being raised, the sides of the doorbell (and therefore the screws) wouldnt be flush to the wall. I suppose that's what you mean by tweaking the screws? So that one set of screws is flush to the wall but other isn't and the doorbell can be angled towards a side that way?

Bendy_House

DRP said:

Bendy_House said:

I typed 'sealant' in the above reply, and it was 'spell-corrected' to a very bad 'poo' word, which was exclamation-marked out. What the?

diarrhoea ? 

Nope. Shhhhhhh..e

Bendy_House

A123r566 said:

Bendy_House said:

A123r566 said:

Bendy_House said:

Yes, you can screw through using either a self-taper screw, or drill a pilot hole first.

No option to just 'stick' it, or can they be stolen?

So the fact that that the surface is uneven, and one set of screws is slightly raised compared to the other, wouldn't have much of an affect? (Functionally and cosmetically)

I would hope there's not a major chance of it being stolen but I'd rather have it securely screwed into the wall anyway. I did see a non-drill mount on the Ring website when I was ordering the doorbell but decided against it.

If I wanted to fill in the holes, what would I use? Useful for the future but also the previous home owners had a smaller doorbell screwed into the UPVC and I would want to fill those holes in at some point.

The uneven surface won't affect its functionality, but will have a marginal cosmetic effect which can be taken care of - if you really felt it necessary - by a neat bead of white sealant along the sides and top (not bottom - leave that open in case any water gets trapped behind the Ring (missus!).)

I think I'd set the screws to be either side of that trim, so the Ring body 'pivots' on it in its middle. You then even have the option of tweaking the (presumably 2 down each side?) screws in order to slightly direct the angle of the Ring to face the best direction.

A bead of white frame sealant or silicone, finished off with a rubber Fugi, will leave it spankin'.

When ultimately removed, you'll find 4 raised volcanoes - the hole for the screw, surrounded by a slightly raised surface. You can either stick round caps over these - simple and not too untidy - or else slightly rebate the volc's using, say, a countersinking tool, and then fill and level off using sealant as before. If the sealant is the same shade, it should be a good fix.

Thanks. By pivot, you mean placing the doorbell directly on the trim and screwing it either side? I had thought about it, but then I thought, wouldn't the screws be visible since thered be a slight gap. Because of the trim being raised, the sides of the doorbell (and therefore the screws) wouldnt be flush to the wall. I suppose that's what you mean by tweaking the screws? So that one set of screws is flush to the wall but other isn't and the doorbell can be angled towards a side that way?

Yes, there will be this cosmetic issue, but the gap can ultimately be filled using white sili. Once the Ring is removed, the sili can be cleaned up, and only the 4 holes will need attention.

Having the Ring straddle the raised trim gives you the option of having it flat and levl, or angled either way - by tweaking the screws. Once in the optimum position, sili away.

You'll be able to see if it looks 'daft' sitting at an angle, or is it best sitting level. Options.

A123r566

Is a hammer drill better for drilling into UPVC or is it better to use a regular drill? I have both but I'm not 100% sure of the difference, I bought the hammer drill for drilling into brick.