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meg00

I am looking into a property for research purposes. The listing is coming back as "No information Available".

I am assuming there is information available, but I am not sure how to access it. The property is now split into two flats, ground and first floor, same address but Flat 1A and 1B.

I am researching how the property ended up with whoever it's current owner is, and if any covenants are in place.

Can anyone explain how to do this, and do I have to pay two sets of fees?

Thanks

Meg.

anselld

Which Country?  The rules and processes differ.

Assuming England, search Land Registry.  There should be a Freehold listing for "1" and then both Freehold and Leasehold listings for "1A" and "1B".  If this structure does not exist then the title has not been split and the flats are probably both owned by the same owner under the freehold.  If the structure does exist then you can request copies of the Leases on form OC2 which should list any restrictions.  In either case the split may or may not have had planning permission (search local planning website).

meg00

Thanks Anselld.

Property in England.

I know the 2 flats are owned by the same company.

Not really concerned about the planning permission, more concerned about the covenants, and interested as to how the property ended up with it's current owner.

Meg.

user1977

The registers really just tell you the current position, not the history of ownership etc - though they might give you some clues. Depends why you want to know. 

meg00

User1977

Depends why you want to know.

Really???

Meg.

user1977

meg00 said:

User1977

Depends why you want to know.

Really???

Well, it would help if you could tell us exactly what sort of information you're trying to get. 

meg00

Thanks User.

The answer is in the original post.

"I am researching how the property ended up with whoever it's current owner is, and if any covenants are in place".

Meg.

eddddy

meg00 said:

"I am researching how the property ended up with whoever it's current owner is, and if any covenants are in place".

As explained in a previous post - if you mean the covenants in the flats' leases, if the properties are registered with Land Registry you should be able to get copies of the leases by submitting OC2 forms to LR.

You mention "if any covenants are in place" - but all leases will contain many covenants. I think that's why others might be asking you to clarify, in case there's a misunderstanding somewhere.


And are you interested in finding out about the freehold ownership, or the leasehold ownership? Assuming leases exist.


(And assuming the properties are in England/Wales.)

meg00

Thanks Edddy.

What I am trying to get to is the pathway BEFORE the current company who turned it into flats, (not an individual but a housing Association)

I am trying to identify the seller, who is the person I am researching. This person owned the property, had no dependents, but had a number of interests, mostly philanthropic. The property would have been worth a substantial sum then, obviously even more now.

If the deeds show to whom the property was bequeathed, I can then establish if my research is headed in the right direction - which is why I am interested in the covenants.

Because, quite frankly, if there were no covenants, the beneficiary's would have sold the property and put the proceeds to much better use.

I have no personal interest, I am not a distant relative looking for a payout, not interested in freehold/leasehold, planning permissions or miscarriages of justice.

Every property I have ever owned has come with a bucketful of information. Land transfers, original purchase price, restrictions, covenants, maps, owners, prices etc.

I am hoping the paperwork for this property will be the same - I live half a mile away, and the house was built about 20 years before mine, around1880. They did things proper in them days.

In short, I am hoping "no information available" means no DOWNLOADABLE information, but for the fee I can access what is available.

Meg.

Slithery

meg00 said:

Every property I have ever owned has come with a bucketful of information. Land transfers, original purchase price, restrictions, covenants, maps, owners, prices etc.

Then you've just been very lucky. A lot of properties have none of this information recorded anywhere.

canaldumidi

The land Registry will give you the freehold title and 2 leasehold titles. This will give you the current ownership of each.

Either the freehold and leasehold titles may give a brief resume of key covenants, but the covenants themselves will originate in other documents eg the leases, earlier Transfers, related deeds etc. These may well be referenced in the LR Titles, and if the LR has copies it will say 'copy filed'.

If the LR has copies filed, they can be applied for on Form OC2 - GOV.UK by post.