Can two people live on one person's wage?

fingermask

of course, they can depend on their lifestyle.

RogerBareford

There is far more to life than simply "managing well" and there are many interesting things and places in this world to see and explore i can't imagine never going on holiday like some people on here have said.

Some people just go work, eat, watch TV and sleep in a contstant routing and that no life at all and think everyone should have atleast some interesting hobbies and get out and about often and have enough money to do this.

kimwp

RogerBareford said:

There is far more to life than simply "managing well" and there are many interesting things and places in this world to see and explore i can't imagine never going on holiday like some people on here have said.

Some people just go work, eat, watch TV and sleep in a contstant routing and that no life at all and think everyone should have atleast some interesting hobbies and get out and about often and have enough money to do this.

I agree that there should be more to life than simply surviving, but holidays are not necessarily the only avenue to that. Many people go on holidays where they visit pretty tourist spots, eat nice food and learn absolutely nothing (I'm not saying this is necessarily you). Others may not travel, yet enrich themselves with walking in their local countryside, volunteering and watching programmes about other cultures, politics and lives outside their own - which are much lower cost (financially and to the environment). Large sums of money are rarely required to have an interesting life, merely a high consumption one.

zagfles

kimwp said:

RogerBareford said:

There is far more to life than simply "managing well" and there are many interesting things and places in this world to see and explore i can't imagine never going on holiday like some people on here have said.

Some people just go work, eat, watch TV and sleep in a contstant routing and that no life at all and think everyone should have atleast some interesting hobbies and get out and about often and have enough money to do this.

I agree that there should be more to life than simply surviving, but holidays are not necessarily the only avenue to that. Many people go on holidays where they visit pretty tourist spots, eat nice food and learn absolutely nothing (I'm not saying this is necessarily you). Others may not travel, yet enrich themselves with walking in their local countryside, volunteering and watching programmes about other cultures, politics and lives outside their own - which are much lower cost (financially and to the environment). Large sums of money are rarely required to have an interesting life, merely a high consumption one.

Besides which holidays don't have to be expensive, you can get flights for a tenner or less to countries where the cost of living is far lower than the UK. I went on loads of holidays while on a real terms income well under the equivalent of today's full time NMW

RogerBareford

kimwp said:

RogerBareford said:

There is far more to life than simply "managing well" and there are many interesting things and places in this world to see and explore i can't imagine never going on holiday like some people on here have said.

Some people just go work, eat, watch TV and sleep in a contstant routing and that no life at all and think everyone should have atleast some interesting hobbies and get out and about often and have enough money to do this.

I agree that there should be more to life than simply surviving, but holidays are not necessarily the only avenue to that. Many people go on holidays where they visit pretty tourist spots, eat nice food and learn absolutely nothing (I'm not saying this is necessarily you). Others may not travel, yet enrich themselves with walking in their local countryside, volunteering and watching programmes about other cultures, politics and lives outside their own - which are much lower cost (financially and to the environment). Large sums of money are rarely required to have an interesting life, merely a high consumption one.

Well i think even visting tourist spots and eating different food in a different place is a good experience to have. Getting out and about and going somewhere different, experiencing different things and doing different activities i think is important in life. Yes you can watch programs about different places on TV but it doesn't beat actually getting there and doing something.

Also to clarify to me a holiday doesn't mean an expensive trip abroad, even going away for a few nights in a tent is a holiday in my opinion and can be done for very little money. Even if tents arn't appealing, then a few nights in cheap hotel doesn't need to cost much if you plan in advance and stay in a premier inn or travelodge or similar when they start at £29 a night (many dates and locations for under £40 a night certainly).

I just think when the title says can two people "live" that really needs to include some money for atleast a couple of small holidays a year otherwise your just "surviving" and we certainly don't want people going round saying you can live on £X per year when they mean barely scraping by to survive as that doesn't do anyone any good.

MovingForwards

If we wanted to go abroad, or holiday in the UK, we can afford to do so on my income, therefore 'surviving' isn't the right word to use. 

What some people have to understand is not everyone wants the same things or to live the same lifestyle as their neighbour.

RogerBareford

MovingForwards said:

If we wanted to go abroad, or holiday in the UK, we can afford to do so on my income, therefore 'surviving' isn't the right word to use. 

What some people have to understand is not everyone wants the same things or to live the same lifestyle as their neighbour.

Ofcourse everyone is different and everyone wants to do different things in life.

But what i'm saying is that to "live" someone needs to have an income that allows them to do more than just sit at home and watch TV everyday.

I would say everyone needs to atleast travel to a few different places and do different activties in their life so they can get the experiences and see what they enjoy. I can't imagine just doing nothing in life.

kimwp

RogerBareford said:

kimwp said:

RogerBareford said:

There is far more to life than simply "managing well" and there are many interesting things and places in this world to see and explore i can't imagine never going on holiday like some people on here have said.

Some people just go work, eat, watch TV and sleep in a contstant routing and that no life at all and think everyone should have atleast some interesting hobbies and get out and about often and have enough money to do this.

I agree that there should be more to life than simply surviving, but holidays are not necessarily the only avenue to that. Many people go on holidays where they visit pretty tourist spots, eat nice food and learn absolutely nothing (I'm not saying this is necessarily you). Others may not travel, yet enrich themselves with walking in their local countryside, volunteering and watching programmes about other cultures, politics and lives outside their own - which are much lower cost (financially and to the environment). Large sums of money are rarely required to have an interesting life, merely a high consumption one.

Well i think even visting tourist spots and eating different food in a different place is a good experience to have. Getting out and about and going somewhere different, experiencing different things and doing different activities i think is important in life. Yes you can watch programs about different places on TV but it doesn't beat actually getting there and doing something.

I think there are diminishing returns to simply visiting though. I've travelled and lived abroad in Europe, America and Asia and while it's fun to see new things, I can't imagine many people learn about the worst jobs in South America, what it's like to be LBTQ in Russia, how the new young millionaires live in China when they go on holiday, so I think TV programmes probably beat tourist travel from a mind-broadening point of view once some travel has been done. Not that I am advocating watching TV all the time, just that I don't think tourist holidays are necessary for an interesting life or a broad and educated mind.

pollypenny

kimwp said:

RogerBareford said:

There is far more to life than simply "managing well" and there are many interesting things and places in this world to see and explore i can't imagine never going on holiday like some people on here have said.

Some people just go work, eat, watch TV and sleep in a contstant routing and that no life at all and think everyone should have atleast some interesting hobbies and get out and about often and have enough money to do this.

I agree that there should be more to life than simply surviving, but holidays are not necessarily the only avenue to that. Many people go on holidays where they visit pretty tourist spots, eat nice food and learn absolutely nothing (I'm not saying this is necessarily you). Others may not travel, yet enrich themselves with walking in their local countryside, volunteering and watching programmes about other cultures, politics and lives outside their own - which are much lower cost (financially and to the environment). Large sums of money are rarely required to have an interesting life, merely a high consumption one.

There's nothing wrong with eating nice food and relaxing. The key is the break from the daily grind, however you want it. 

RogerBareford

kimwp said:

RogerBareford said:

kimwp said:

RogerBareford said:

There is far more to life than simply "managing well" and there are many interesting things and places in this world to see and explore i can't imagine never going on holiday like some people on here have said.

Some people just go work, eat, watch TV and sleep in a contstant routing and that no life at all and think everyone should have atleast some interesting hobbies and get out and about often and have enough money to do this.

I agree that there should be more to life than simply surviving, but holidays are not necessarily the only avenue to that. Many people go on holidays where they visit pretty tourist spots, eat nice food and learn absolutely nothing (I'm not saying this is necessarily you). Others may not travel, yet enrich themselves with walking in their local countryside, volunteering and watching programmes about other cultures, politics and lives outside their own - which are much lower cost (financially and to the environment). Large sums of money are rarely required to have an interesting life, merely a high consumption one.

Well i think even visting tourist spots and eating different food in a different place is a good experience to have. Getting out and about and going somewhere different, experiencing different things and doing different activities i think is important in life. Yes you can watch programs about different places on TV but it doesn't beat actually getting there and doing something.

I think there are diminishing returns to simply visiting though. I've travelled and lived abroad in Europe, America and Asia and while it's fun to see new things, I can't imagine many people learn about the worst jobs in South America, what it's like to be LBTQ in Russia, how the new young millionaires live in China when they go on holiday, so I think TV programmes probably beat tourist travel from a mind-broadening point of view once some travel has been done. Not that I am advocating watching TV all the time, just that I don't think tourist holidays are necessary for an interesting life or a broad and educated mind.

I get the point your making and yes i agree you can learn a lot more from watching TV than visiting places but i still think you actually need to go places and experience things in life. I can watch documentaries all day on Machu Picchu for example and learn every single piece of it's history but nothing beats actually going there and seeing it!. I can learn everything possible about the physics involved when designing a rollercoaster and the mechanics of actually building one and learn how to calculate the exact force being felt on each twist and turn but it's nowhere near as good as actually riding it!.

When your old and grey you won't be looking fondly back at the memories of all the TV programs you watched it will be all the experiences you had and the things you have seen with your own two eyes.

So i agree TV programs and other material can give you a broad and educated mind but you certainly need experiences for an interesting life.