Can someone please help me understand my rate of pay

General_Grant

Find alternative (self-)employment.

For one, they are offering to consider to pay for you to work illegally - that is using a privately owned e-scooter on a public road.

You seem unwilling to use the more precarious method of travel and they show no intention to even consider your using a car.

68ComebackSpecial

robdex1 said:

I use my own car for deliveries but most drivers used mopeds provided by the company but I want to use my car. The car drivers are being paid the same as moped drivers, would it be fair to ask for more money as we have extra expenses (expensive insurance, wear and tear, fuel etc). 

It's highly unlikely that they will agree to pay your vehicle running costs - the HMRC rate is 45p per mile to reimburse for fuel, insurance, depreciation etc. An ebike or scooter would cost them virtually nothing. Doesn't look like you're actually going to make even minimum wage if you use your car.

robdex1

General_Grant said:

Find alternative (self-)employment.

For one, they are offering to consider to pay for you to work illegally - that is using a privately owned e-scooter on a public road.

You seem unwilling to use the more precarious method of travel and they show no intention to even consider your using a car.

Why is it illegal they are owned by the company and are insured for that purpose. 

robdex1

68ComebackSpecial said:

robdex1 said:

I use my own car for deliveries but most drivers used mopeds provided by the company but I want to use my car. The car drivers are being paid the same as moped drivers, would it be fair to ask for more money as we have extra expenses (expensive insurance, wear and tear, fuel etc). 

It's highly unlikely that they will agree to pay your vehicle running costs - the HMRC rate is 45p per mile to reimburse for fuel, insurance, depreciation etc. An ebike or scooter would cost them virtually nothing. Doesn't look like you're actually going to make even minimum wage if you use your car.

We only operate within a 2 mile radius so the deliveries are short I was just thinking to ask them to pay £1 extra per delivery. 

Sandtree

General_Grant said:

For one, they are offering to consider to pay for you to work illegally - that is using a privately owned e-scooter on a public road.

This is an escooter and is perfectly legal to be privately owned and used on a public road
Unfortunately the term scooter covers both the kids toy and a motorbike with an engine between 50cc and 250cc and therefore e-scooter similarly covers the electrified version of both. I would strongly suspect the contract is referring to an "electric motorbike" which are getting more common around our area

General_Grant

Sandtree said:

General_Grant said:

For one, they are offering to consider to pay for you to work illegally - that is using a privately owned e-scooter on a public road.

This is an escooter and is perfectly legal to be privately owned and used on a public road
Unfortunately the term scooter covers both the kids toy and a motorbike with an engine between 50cc and 250cc and therefore e-scooter similarly covers the electrified version of both. I would strongly suspect the contract is referring to an "electric motorbike" which are getting more common around our area

The term used by the company was "your own e-bike or e-scooter ".  
Try looking at the Halfords site to see what an e-scooter looks like - and it is those which are becoming more common around here - being ridden illegally.  Your illustration seems to be what the OP is describing as a moped as provided by the company.

General_Grant

robdex1 said:

General_Grant said:

Find alternative (self-)employment.

For one, they are offering to consider to pay for you to work illegally - that is using a privately owned e-scooter on a public road.

You seem unwilling to use the more precarious method of travel and they show no intention to even consider your using a car.

Why is it illegal they are owned by the company and are insured for that purpose. 

The vehicles owned by the company were described as "mopeds" by the OP.  Those have been on our roads for decades and absolutely legal.

However they were offering to consider e-scooters owned by the workers.  These are not legal for use on the public highway (or pavement) anywhere in England.  Motor insurance for use on public roads/public spaces is not obtainable for private owners .  The only e-scooters which are lawfully permitted on public roads are in specified trial areas (eg parts of London) and are hired and not privately owned.

kimwp

General_Grant said:

robdex1 said:

General_Grant said:

Find alternative (self-)employment.

For one, they are offering to consider to pay for you to work illegally - that is using a privately owned e-scooter on a public road.

You seem unwilling to use the more precarious method of travel and they show no intention to even consider your using a car.

Why is it illegal they are owned by the company and are insured for that purpose. 

The vehicles owned by the company were described as "mopeds" by the OP.  Those have been on our roads for decades and absolutely legal.

However they were offering to consider e-scooters owned by the workers.  These are not legal for use on the public highway (or pavement) anywhere in England.  Motor insurance for use on public roads/public spaces is not obtainable for private owners .  The only e-scooters which are lawfully permitted on public roads are in specified trial areas (eg parts of London) and are hired and not privately owned.

@General_Grant, I think the thing to consider is how likely is a company to traceably permit their employees to do something illegal vs how likely they are to refer to the vehicle in the above picture as an e-scooter, given that some small bikes are referred to as scooters. 

sammyjammy

To be fair the OP doesn't want to use either so that conversation from point of view of the thread is mute.

OP - if you want to use your car it would seem that its your choice but you would have to cover the costs yourself including business insurance.

Sandtree

General_Grant said:

Sandtree said:

General_Grant said:

For one, they are offering to consider to pay for you to work illegally - that is using a privately owned e-scooter on a public road.

This is an escooter and is perfectly legal to be privately owned and used on a public road
Unfortunately the term scooter covers both the kids toy and a motorbike with an engine between 50cc and 250cc and therefore e-scooter similarly covers the electrified version of both. I would strongly suspect the contract is referring to an "electric motorbike" which are getting more common around our area

The term used by the company was "your own e-bike or e-scooter ".  
Try looking at the Halfords site to see what an e-scooter looks like - and it is those which are becoming more common around here - being ridden illegally.  Your illustration seems to be what the OP is describing as a moped as provided by the company.

e-bike - a peddle bike with an electric motor to assist (arguably could be an electric motorbike too but dont think its a common use)
e-scooter - is either the type sold by halfords or the type I posted a photo of

Moped is a motorbike with up to a 50cc engine, scooter is a motorbike with 50-250cc engine... you can add "e-" in front of either to signify the petrol engine has been replaced by an electric one.

The photo is marketed as an e-scooter.

How many Amazon Now or Deliveroo drives have you seen going around on the stand up style scooters you are talking about carrying around 3-4 deliveries with them? 

Personally, in London we see hundreds of such delivery drivers on mopeds and the road legal sit on scooters of which an increasing number are becoming electrified and so getting the e- prefix @General_Grant