Ring Doorbell

WeAreGhosts

Racky_Roo said:

Just to clarify, it only captures audio if triggered by motion, and even then, you need to go into the event to listen and watch. You're only going to do that if there's been an incident like someone has hit your car. It doesn't allow you to view or listen to anything unless you either activate "live" or it's been triggered by motion or the doorbell being rung.

That's what I wanted to know, thank you. If it's a wide angle camera it will probably capture me entering/leaving my driveway, but hopefully not when I'm gardening which is what I was most worried about.

bris

robatwork said:

fenwick458 said:

thats an interesting case. full details here, I still don't really understand it though. what exactly did Mr Woodward do wrong? 

Most people wouldn't have a doorbell camera on their shed. Not sure this case sets a precedent for doorbell cameras on front doors aimed at the street. 

The Ring doorbell isn't really the issue so not sure why the headlines are about the doorbell.

The shed doesn't have a doorbell, that's at the door where you would expect it.

The issue is the defendant extended the system by installing a Nest camera and flood light on the shed, he also installed another camera called the drive way camera and this is where the problems started as these could see the claimant talking to people at her door. 

The Judge calls the defendant a very unreliable witness and a liar without credibility. He was constantly changing his story when questioned, calling the cameras "dummy cameras" but posting clips of them to WhatsApp groups proved they weren't. 

kdotdotdotdot

WeAreGhosts said:

Racky_Roo said:

Just to clarify, it only captures audio if triggered by motion, and even then, you need to go into the event to listen and watch. You're only going to do that if there's been an incident like someone has hit your car. It doesn't allow you to view or listen to anything unless you either activate "live" or it's been triggered by motion or the doorbell being rung.

 If it's a wide angle camera it will probably capture me entering/leaving my driveway, but hopefully not when I'm gardening which is what I was most worried about.

Ok, that's got me really curious: what exactly are you saying while you're gardening that you don't want your neighbour to 'hear' on their ring doorbell???   I talk to my plants all the time but it seems that you're next level . . . 

robatwork

kdotdotdotdot said:

WeAreGhosts said:

Racky_Roo said:

Just to clarify, it only captures audio if triggered by motion, and even then, you need to go into the event to listen and watch. You're only going to do that if there's been an incident like someone has hit your car. It doesn't allow you to view or listen to anything unless you either activate "live" or it's been triggered by motion or the doorbell being rung.

 If it's a wide angle camera it will probably capture me entering/leaving my driveway, but hopefully not when I'm gardening which is what I was most worried about.

Ok, that's got me really curious: what exactly are you saying while you're gardening that you don't want your neighbour to 'hear' on their ring doorbell???   I talk to my plants all the time but it seems that you're next level . . . 

I would hate if my neighbours could hear/record the conversations I have in my garden.

Most of them are about the neighbours 

WeAreGhosts

kdotdotdotdot said:

Ok, that's got me really curious: what exactly are you saying while you're gardening that you don't want your neighbour to 'hear' on their ring doorbell???   I talk to my plants all the time but it seems that you're next level . . . 

I have a harassment case ongoing against my neighbour for numerous incidents spanning the last five years. She's trying to drive us out for whatever reason, no one's got to the bottom of it yet. She has been known to record my conversations with family/workmen via her phone and then spreads gossip around the neighbours (most of whom can't explain why she's doing this, it just seems to boil down to she doesn't like us). So the new Ring Doorbell is a cause for concern. She could be sat in the comfort of her armchair listening to me, rather than standing outside in the rain.

(I talk to my plants too, though) 

kdotdotdotdot

WeAreGhosts said:

kdotdotdotdot said:

Ok, that's got me really curious: what exactly are you saying while you're gardening that you don't want your neighbour to 'hear' on their ring doorbell???   I talk to my plants all the time but it seems that you're next level . . . 

 She has been known to record my conversations with family/workmen via her phone and then spreads gossip around the neighbours (most of whom can't explain why she's doing this, it just seems to boil down to she doesn't like us). 

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.  Must be incredibly stressful.  Have you ever been tempted to get friends and acquaintances to come over posing as workmen and have really wild fake conversations with them?

On a serious note, hope all works out ok for you.

WeAreGhosts

kdotdotdotdot said:

WeAreGhosts said:

kdotdotdotdot said:

Ok, that's got me really curious: what exactly are you saying while you're gardening that you don't want your neighbour to 'hear' on their ring doorbell???   I talk to my plants all the time but it seems that you're next level . . . 

 She has been known to record my conversations with family/workmen via her phone and then spreads gossip around the neighbours (most of whom can't explain why she's doing this, it just seems to boil down to she doesn't like us). 

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.  Must be incredibly stressful.  Have you ever been tempted to get friends and acquaintances to come over posing as workmen and have really wild fake conversations with them?

On a serious note, hope all works out ok for you.

Thank you.
I have had bizarre convos in the garden with family - one of them was me saying I was getting a pig to live in the garden and another neighbour across the street said to me the following week "you know you can't have farm animals in the garden, don't you?"  I just said that she might be better off not listening to gossip spread by crazy people 

Undervalued

bris said:

The cameras were set up in a way that the neighbour could be seen and heard (spied on) without her permission. Not only that the neighbour asked about the positioning of the cameras, was denied an answer and refused to discuss it.

This left the neighbour in distress, believing she was being spied on and so left the property.

The defendant could have put her mind at rest by explaining or showing there was no cameras covering her property but arrogance and an "I can do what I want" attitude got him convicted.

Surely, it was a civil case so nobody got "convicted"! I know one of the articles linked refers to "fines" but I assume that should read "damages"?

Also, this was not a high enough court to set any binding legal precedent.

Whether it will be appealed or not remains to be seen. The whole area of privacy is very complex from a legal point of view and constantly evolving. In most cases the costs / risks of bringing any action and seeing it through is beyond those of normal means. So it is generally regarded as an area of the law only really available to the rich and famous. A bit like libel cases!