Pets are being Mistreated in Rented House

Cptralls

I don't think there is going to be a positive resolution to this. It was a neighbour of my uncle who actually raised the complaint, the RSPCA found evidence of extreme neglect and some evidence of abuse but there was nothing further that they could do other than to issue the owners with a warning. 

LippyDoodle

CJDogsbody said:

steampowered said:

This thread demonstrates perfectly why the RSPCA is in an impossible position. 

On the one hand, you have people saying why they don't immediately break into the case and seize the animals. And then complaining why they don't bring more prosecutions.

On the other hand, you have people accusing them of being out of control. And saying they have have too much power.

It's a pile of nonsense. It's easy to sit in an armchair and sling mud at a charity doing its best to resolve a very difficult problem. The RSPCA does its best with limited resources and limited powers. It cannot just run around seizing animals willy nilly; nor can it solve every ill in the world; nor can it magically create homes for pets when there are not enough. Just like every other charity it does its best with the resources it has got.

In actual fact the RSPCA have no power.  They have no different powers or rights from any other member of the public.  The power they appear to have comes from being very rich and using the powers that were given to others.

The legislation that the RSPCA promoted, the Dangerous Dogs Act, which it used to condemn many family pets to death, the new anti-stance is recent. The legislation that has driven dog breeding out of this country so that dogs are now imported on dodgy paperwork, often by charities, because it made it impossible form many breeders to continue.  

Are you referring to section one of the DDA? It was the introduction of BSL that has been responsible for many innocent dogs being destroyed. The RSPCA did not promote this, infact they fight against it. 

There has to be some laws in place to keep the public safe from any dog. They all have teeth so all have the protential to bite. Owners need to be aware that they are responsible for their dogs behaviour. Over the years the trend leans towards "humanising" dogs which leads to a lot of behavioural problems. Dog bites and attacks are on the rise. Some breeds need more careful handling, some breeds do not show the full array of signals/signs before they attack. It's rare for a dog to suddenly attack out of the blue. It's usually builds up overtime and the owners are not aware of the dogs body language.  

I don't see any decline in breeding in this country but I'd welcome something that would slow it down and also make it much harder for people be able to breed. There are to many animals not just dogs in recuse centres in need of loving homes. We live in a throw away society and sadly animals can be someones whim until they realise how much care and time they need.

GDB2222

steampowered said:

CJDogsbody said:

In actual fact the RSPCA have no power.  They have no different powers or rights from any other member of the public.  The power they appear to have comes from being very rich and using the powers that were given to others.

The legislation that the RSPCA promoted, the Dangerous Dogs Act, which it used to condemn many family pets to death, the new anti-stance is recent. The legislation that has driven dog breeding out of this country so that dogs are now imported on dodgy paperwork, often by charities, because it made it impossible form many breeders to continue.  

If the RSPCA have no power, then what on earth are you complaining about?

If the police and LAs are not doing their job, take it up with them. 

I for one am very glad that breeders find it more difficult to breed dangerous dogs, given the massive harm which they cause. And the enormous number of unwanted Staffies sitting in RSCPA adoption centres with no homes to go to. I went to an RSCPA adoption centre a few weeks ago and it was mostly just unwanted Staffies, unfortunately, as people didn't want to adopt them.

Why do so many people buy Staffies and then find they don't like them? Why Staffies, in particular?

elsien

GDB2222 said:

steampowered said:

CJDogsbody said:

In actual fact the RSPCA have no power.  They have no different powers or rights from any other member of the public.  The power they appear to have comes from being very rich and using the powers that were given to others.

The legislation that the RSPCA promoted, the Dangerous Dogs Act, which it used to condemn many family pets to death, the new anti-stance is recent. The legislation that has driven dog breeding out of this country so that dogs are now imported on dodgy paperwork, often by charities, because it made it impossible form many breeders to continue.  

If the RSPCA have no power, then what on earth are you complaining about?

If the police and LAs are not doing their job, take it up with them. 

I for one am very glad that breeders find it more difficult to breed dangerous dogs, given the massive harm which they cause. And the enormous number of unwanted Staffies sitting in RSCPA adoption centres with no homes to go to. I went to an RSCPA adoption centre a few weeks ago and it was mostly just unwanted Staffies, unfortunately, as people didn't want to adopt them.

Why do so many people buy Staffies and then find they don't like them? Why Staffies, in particular?

Status dogs, particularly those crossed with mastiff types which give more of a “pit bull” wider headed look. Some buy them for the look, some for fighting. 

Neither reason goes particularly well with responsible dog ownership so some people who own them are just more likely to dump them, when they’re poorly trained or they realise dog ownership can be hard work and the hard dog look isn’t worth the effort. 

Caveat - there are also devoted staffie owners who care about the breed and are very responsible. 

onylon

GDB2222 said:

steampowered said:

CJDogsbody said:

In actual fact the RSPCA have no power.  They have no different powers or rights from any other member of the public.  The power they appear to have comes from being very rich and using the powers that were given to others.

The legislation that the RSPCA promoted, the Dangerous Dogs Act, which it used to condemn many family pets to death, the new anti-stance is recent. The legislation that has driven dog breeding out of this country so that dogs are now imported on dodgy paperwork, often by charities, because it made it impossible form many breeders to continue.  

If the RSPCA have no power, then what on earth are you complaining about?

If the police and LAs are not doing their job, take it up with them. 

I for one am very glad that breeders find it more difficult to breed dangerous dogs, given the massive harm which they cause. And the enormous number of unwanted Staffies sitting in RSCPA adoption centres with no homes to go to. I went to an RSCPA adoption centre a few weeks ago and it was mostly just unwanted Staffies, unfortunately, as people didn't want to adopt them.

Why do so many people buy Staffies and then find they don't like them? Why Staffies, in particular?

I suspect its nothing to do with the breed characteristics of Staffies and more to do with the kind of people who want a tough looking dog for status or protection.

CJDogsbody

LippyDoodle said:

CJDogsbody said:

steampowered said:

This thread demonstrates perfectly why the RSPCA is in an impossible position. 

On the one hand, you have people saying why they don't immediately break into the case and seize the animals. And then complaining why they don't bring more prosecutions.

On the other hand, you have people accusing them of being out of control. And saying they have have too much power.

It's a pile of nonsense. It's easy to sit in an armchair and sling mud at a charity doing its best to resolve a very difficult problem. The RSPCA does its best with limited resources and limited powers. It cannot just run around seizing animals willy nilly; nor can it solve every ill in the world; nor can it magically create homes for pets when there are not enough. Just like every other charity it does its best with the resources it has got.

In actual fact the RSPCA have no power.  They have no different powers or rights from any other member of the public.  The power they appear to have comes from being very rich and using the powers that were given to others.

The legislation that the RSPCA promoted, the Dangerous Dogs Act, which it used to condemn many family pets to death, the new anti-stance is recent. The legislation that has driven dog breeding out of this country so that dogs are now imported on dodgy paperwork, often by charities, because it made it impossible form many breeders to continue.  

Are you referring to section one of the DDA? It was the introduction of BSL that has been responsible for many innocent dogs being destroyed. The RSPCA did not promote this, infact they fight against it. 

There has to be some laws in place to keep the public safe from any dog. They all have teeth so all have the protential to bite. Owners need to be aware that they are responsible for their dogs behaviour. Over the years the trend leans towards "humanising" dogs which leads to a lot of behavioural problems. Dog bites and attacks are on the rise. Some breeds need more careful handling, some breeds do not show the full array of signals/signs before they attack. It's rare for a dog to suddenly attack out of the blue. It's usually builds up overtime and the owners are not aware of the dogs body language.  

I don't see any decline in breeding in this country but I'd welcome something that would slow it down and also make it much harder for people be able to breed. There are to many animals not just dogs in recuse centres in need of loving homes. We live in a throw away society and sadly animals can be someones whim until they realise how much care and time they need.

We had excellent laws in place.  The Dogs Act allowed for criminal proceedings to take pplace but more importantly let individuals deal with cases as civil issues.  Magistrates could order that a dog be kept under control or destroyed ( which is probably where the idea that every dog is allowed one bite came from, because you didn't know it was likely to take a chink out of someone until it did).

We also had the Protection of Animal Act which dealt with unnecessary suffering.  Together they worked well.  Now we have nightmare situations.  

No, dog bites and attacks are not on the rise.  Back when the campaigns were running for the DDA it was claimed that they were rising only later it turned out to just be more prominent reporting.  |Same thing happens to day whenever the RSPCA run a campaign.

There is a definite reduction in breeding of dogs.  Of course those who have been driven underground will always be willing to supply items at £2-3000 plus.  The slack of supply is why imports are rocketing.  Do you really think tht people are likely to throw away dogs that cost them so much?

CJDogsbody

steampowered said:

CJDogsbody said:

In actual fact the RSPCA have no power.  They have no different powers or rights from any other member of the public.  The power they appear to have comes from being very rich and using the powers that were given to others.

The legislation that the RSPCA promoted, the Dangerous Dogs Act, which it used to condemn many family pets to death, the new anti-stance is recent. The legislation that has driven dog breeding out of this country so that dogs are now imported on dodgy paperwork, often by charities, because it made it impossible form many breeders to continue.  

If the RSPCA have no power, then what on earth are you complaining about?

If the police and LAs are not doing their job, take it up with them. 

I for one am very glad that breeders find it more difficult to breed dangerous dogs, given the massive harm which they cause. And the enormous number of unwanted Staffies sitting in RSCPA adoption centres with no homes to go to. I went to an RSCPA adoption centre a few weeks ago and it was mostly just unwanted Staffies, unfortunately, as people didn't want to adopt them.

steampowered said:

CJDogsbody said:

In actual fact the RSPCA have no power.  They have no different powers or rights from any other member of the public.  The power they appear to have comes from being very rich and using the powers that were given to others.

The legislation that the RSPCA promoted, the Dangerous Dogs Act, which it used to condemn many family pets to death, the new anti-stance is recent. The legislation that has driven dog breeding out of this country so that dogs are now imported on dodgy paperwork, often by charities, because it made it impossible form many breeders to continue.  

If the RSPCA have no power, then what on earth are you complaining about?

If the police and LAs are not doing their job, take it up with them. 

I for one am very glad that breeders find it more difficult to breed dangerous dogs, given the massive harm which they cause. And the enormous number of unwanted Staffies sitting in RSCPA adoption centres with no homes to go to. I went to an RSCPA adoption centre a few weeks ago and it was mostly just unwanted Staffies, unfortunately, as people didn't want to adopt them.

steampowered said:

CJDogsbody said:

In actual fact the RSPCA have no power.  They have no different powers or rights from any other member of the public.  The power they appear to have comes from being very rich and using the powers that were given to others.

The legislation that the RSPCA promoted, the Dangerous Dogs Act, which it used to condemn many family pets to death, the new anti-stance is recent. The legislation that has driven dog breeding out of this country so that dogs are now imported on dodgy paperwork, often by charities, because it made it impossible form many breeders to continue.  

If the RSPCA have no power, then what on earth are you complaining about?

If the police and LAs are not doing their job, take it up with them. 

I for one am very glad that breeders find it more difficult to breed dangerous dogs, given the massive harm which they cause. And the enormous number of unwanted Staffies sitting in RSCPA adoption centres with no homes to go to. I went to an RSCPA adoption centre a few weeks ago and it was mostly just unwanted Staffies, unfortunately, as people didn't want to adopt them.

Exactly.  Until people insist that the police and LAs do their job and keep the RSPCA out of the loop they will continue to shirk their responsibilities.

Suggest you take a look at a selection of RSPCA sites and see how few dogs (and other animals) are available.

CJDogsbody

sheramber said:

and please don't say that they need a warrant because they have been known to go to neighbours and ask to look over the fence or even borrow  ladder to do so.

What was said was that they required a warrant to seize animals.

Which you agree with here

Once they have seen anything they can go to the police and ask them to get a warrant.

sheramber said:

and please don't say that they need a warrant because they have been known to go to neighbours and ask to look over the fence or even borrow  ladder to do so.

What was said was that they required a warrant to seize animals.

Which you agree with here

Once they have seen anything they can go to the police and ask them to get a warrant.

The point being that they have already effectively trespassed in order to obtain aa claimed reason to ask the police for a warrant.  If you have read some of the major cases, like that of Claude the cat who was elderly and snatched by RSPCA from his front garden and only after he was killed was it discovered that he was just an elderly cat who, like elderly cats, looked scruffy but was healthy.

martindow

LippyDoodle said:
I don't see any decline in breeding in this country but I'd welcome something that would slow it down and also make it much harder for people be able to breed.

People can always use birth control ...

LippyDoodle

CJDogsbody said:

LippyDoodle said:

CJDogsbody said:

steampowered said:

This thread demonstrates perfectly why the RSPCA is in an impossible position. 

On the one hand, you have people saying why they don't immediately break into the case and seize the animals. And then complaining why they don't bring more prosecutions.

On the other hand, you have people accusing them of being out of control. And saying they have have too much power.

It's a pile of nonsense. It's easy to sit in an armchair and sling mud at a charity doing its best to resolve a very difficult problem. The RSPCA does its best with limited resources and limited powers. It cannot just run around seizing animals willy nilly; nor can it solve every ill in the world; nor can it magically create homes for pets when there are not enough. Just like every other charity it does its best with the resources it has got.

In actual fact the RSPCA have no power.  They have no different powers or rights from any other member of the public.  The power they appear to have comes from being very rich and using the powers that were given to others.

The legislation that the RSPCA promoted, the Dangerous Dogs Act, which it used to condemn many family pets to death, the new anti-stance is recent. The legislation that has driven dog breeding out of this country so that dogs are now imported on dodgy paperwork, often by charities, because it made it impossible form many breeders to continue.  

Are you referring to section one of the DDA? It was the introduction of BSL that has been responsible for many innocent dogs being destroyed. The RSPCA did not promote this, infact they fight against it. 

There has to be some laws in place to keep the public safe from any dog. They all have teeth so all have the protential to bite. Owners need to be aware that they are responsible for their dogs behaviour. Over the years the trend leans towards "humanising" dogs which leads to a lot of behavioural problems. Dog bites and attacks are on the rise. Some breeds need more careful handling, some breeds do not show the full array of signals/signs before they attack. It's rare for a dog to suddenly attack out of the blue. It's usually builds up overtime and the owners are not aware of the dogs body language.  

I don't see any decline in breeding in this country but I'd welcome something that would slow it down and also make it much harder for people be able to breed. There are to many animals not just dogs in recuse centres in need of loving homes. We live in a throw away society and sadly animals can be someones whim until they realise how much care and time they need.

We had excellent laws in place.  The Dogs Act allowed for criminal proceedings to take pplace but more importantly let individuals deal with cases as civil issues.  Magistrates could order that a dog be kept under control or destroyed ( which is probably where the idea that every dog is allowed one bite came from, because you didn't know it was likely to take a chink out of someone until it did).

We also had the Protection of Animal Act which dealt with unnecessary suffering.  Together they worked well.  Now we have nightmare situations.  

No, dog bites and attacks are not on the rise.  Back when the campaigns were running for the DDA it was claimed that they were rising only later it turned out to just be more prominent reporting.  |Same thing happens to day whenever the RSPCA run a campaign.

There is a definite reduction in breeding of dogs.  Of course those who have been driven underground will always be willing to supply items at £2-3000 plus.  The slack of supply is why imports are rocketing.  Do you really think tht people are likely to throw away dogs that cost them so much?

I still think you are talking about section 1 of the DDA 1991. BSL which is in section 1 of the DDA 1991 is what is responsible for thousands of innocent dogs being distroyed after they were deemed dandgerous just because they were/are classed as breed "type".

There is now also pressure to try to get the government to include dog on dog attacks in it too as these are also on the increase. I've seen a petition for this. 

https://cfba.uk/science-dog-attacks-increase/

It is not just the RSPCA who campaigne against BSL, there are other dog charities that do too. 

I disagree with you and again say that dog bites and attacks are on the rise in the UK.  

Undergroud breeding? Do you mean back yard breeders? And yes I do think people will throw away dogs regardless of their purchase price. You only have to look at breed rescues to see that. 

Out of interest, what breed of dog/s do you breed or did breed?