plan to turn off car chargers

matelodave

May be of interest to those who are planning to get a cahrger installed - https://insideevs.com/news/537120/ev-chargers-switched-off-uk/?fbclid=IwAR1CB18em0__rXcx_VodNLsT6PIH1iP7HYQr0CP-pxAfAus0M_d-qb_3MN8

Gerry1

I've been pointing out the disadvantages of smart meters for ages but I'm always accused of scaremongering by people who prefer not to be aware of all the facts.

If the grid keeps 'borrowing' your EV to act as a reserve mini power station because they've skimped on building sufficient generating capacity and storage, don't expect to get the full lifetime from your EV's expensive battery.

Also don't be surprised if you end up stranded because your expected full charge was cut short because your smart meter said NO.

EV: No thank you !

chris1973

Its only taken the recent loss of one interconnector between the UK and France to throw doubt on our ability to cover peak demand if we have a cold Winter, proof enough oi ever needed of how fragile and finely balanced the grid is, and how reliant we still are on imports to cover up our inability to generate our own power to cover our own energy demand. Not sure how an already stretched infrastructure could ever support the demand of replacing even 50% of conventional ICE cars with an Electric one. Especially as most households have two cars to charge.

In addition, the cost of running an Electric Car compared to that of an ICE powered one is currently not a like for like comparison. Petrol and Diesel would be dirt cheap too if you removed the VAT and DUTY off it!. Once these get added to the cost of Electricity used to charge cars I suspect the difference will be marginal, especially if you paid significantly more for the EV in the first place. I suspect in another 15 years people will be stood around, talking about how much cheaper their Petrol and Diesel cars were to run ' back in the day'.

Happy to sit back and let others be the beta testers in relation to seeing how restrictions like the above work out, and how much the VAT and DUTY adds to a K/WH of charge when the Government come clawing back the billions lost in fuel revenue before I would even consider buying one!.

QrizB

chris1973 said:

In addition, the cost of running an Electric Car compared to that of an ICE powered one is currently not a like for like comparison. Petrol and Diesel would be dirt cheap too if you removed the VAT and DUTY off it!. Once these get added to the cost of Electricity used to charge cars I suspect the difference will be marginal

I understand the idea is to dye the electrons a different colour, then set up random checkpoints to dip you battery to make sure you're not running your car on untaxed fluence.

Gerry1

QrizB said:

chris1973 said:

In addition, the cost of running an Electric Car compared to that of an ICE powered one is currently not a like for like comparison. Petrol and Diesel would be dirt cheap too if you removed the VAT and DUTY off it!. Once these get added to the cost of Electricity used to charge cars I suspect the difference will be marginal

I understand the idea is to dye the electrons a different colour, then set up random checkpoints to dip you battery to make sure you're not running your car on untaxed fluence.

No need for that, the smart meter in your charger will ensure your EV electrons will be highly taxed.

Grizzlebeard

Gerry1 said:

QrizB said:

chris1973 said:

In addition, the cost of running an Electric Car compared to that of an ICE powered one is currently not a like for like comparison. Petrol and Diesel would be dirt cheap too if you removed the VAT and DUTY off it!. Once these get added to the cost of Electricity used to charge cars I suspect the difference will be marginal

I understand the idea is to dye the electrons a different colour, then set up random checkpoints to dip you battery to make sure you're not running your car on untaxed fluence.

No need for that, the smart meter in your charger will ensure your EV electrons will be highly taxed.

Jump leads crocked directly from the battery to the porch light socket.****



***I'm not serious, but black boxes and hacks that can do the job will appear on the internet in weeks.

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Gerry1 said:

I've been pointing out the disadvantages of smart meters for ages but I'm always accused of scaremongering by people who prefer not to be aware of all the facts.

If the grid keeps 'borrowing' your EV to act as a reserve mini power station because they've skimped on building sufficient generating capacity and storage, don't expect to get the full lifetime from your EV's expensive battery.

Also don't be surprised if you end up stranded because your expected full charge was cut short because your smart meter said NO.

EV: No thank you !

You are scaremongering. The plans are to manage supply and demand. Give the recent increases in gas and electricity prices this must be a good thing. The proposed limitations are as follows:

Quote: Under regulations that will come into force in May, new chargers in the home and workplace will be automatically set not to function from 8am to 11am and 4pm to 10pm. Public chargers and rapid chargers, on motorways and A-roads, will be exempt. Unquote

I am now on my third EV, and I doubt that most people will find the proposed restrictions in anyway limiting. There are no immediate plans to use EVs to support the Grid or the Home (V2G and V2H). To do so, requires a very expensive 2 way EVSE/inverter.

Keep_pedalling

Gerry1 said:

I've been pointing out the disadvantages of smart meters for ages but I'm always accused of scaremongering by people who prefer not to be aware of all the facts.

If the grid keeps 'borrowing' your EV to act as a reserve mini power station because they've skimped on building sufficient generating capacity and storage, don't expect to get the full lifetime from your EV's expensive battery.

Also don't be surprised if you end up stranded because your expected full charge was cut short because your smart meter said NO.

EV: No thank you !

This idea, which has little chance of becoming reality, is not dependent on smart meters as they have no ability to shut down the car charger without taking the whole house down. It can only work with internet enabled smart chargers. The article says that all new chargers have to be smart chargers but that is simply not the case, the current grant for the installation is only available if you install a smart charger, but even without the grant many people instal dumb chargers because it works out cheaper.

I do have a smart charger, but it relies on a small separate device for internet services, which I could simply switch off if this became a reality, Very few EV owners are using their car batteries to feed back for use in the home and I doubt any are feeding back into the grid. Most cars are simple not able to work both ways.

Keep_pedalling

Gerry1 said:

QrizB said:

chris1973 said:

In addition, the cost of running an Electric Car compared to that of an ICE powered one is currently not a like for like comparison. Petrol and Diesel would be dirt cheap too if you removed the VAT and DUTY off it!. Once these get added to the cost of Electricity used to charge cars I suspect the difference will be marginal

I understand the idea is to dye the electrons a different colour, then set up random checkpoints to dip you battery to make sure you're not running your car on untaxed fluence.

No need for that, the smart meter in your charger will ensure your EV electrons will be highly taxed.

Not sure if that is a serious comment or not but smart meters are not really that smart. 

MWT

Gerry1 said:

I've been pointing out the disadvantages of smart meters for ages but I'm always accused of scaremongering by people who prefer not to be aware of all the facts.

If the grid keeps 'borrowing' your EV to act as a reserve mini power station because they've skimped on building sufficient generating capacity and storage, don't expect to get the full lifetime from your EV's expensive battery.

Also don't be surprised if you end up stranded because your expected full charge was cut short because your smart meter said NO.

EV: No thank you !

Not up to your usual standard Gerry.

#1 Smart meters are not a part of anything in the proposal it is just the car charger and it could be a dumb meter, it would make no difference.

#2 This has nothing to do with 'borrowing' the EV, it is not V2G, and the vast majority of cars are not even V2G compatible

.#3 ... again the smart meter isn't involved.

We get that you don't like smart meters but this wasn't the post for another round of FUD.

Verdigris

Would the two restricted periods prevent you from charging from your solar panels at those times? I hope not.