White road markings

AdrianC

ontheroad1970 said:

My point is that the use of imperatives in the HC point to something that is prohibited or prescribed by law.

"MUST NOT" does, and has a reference to the relevant legislation.
"DO NOT" does not, and is simply an instruction.

That doesn't mean doing it is necessary legal - it may fall under a catch-all, like careless driving.

While parking within 10m of a junction isn't explicitly illegal, it would not be hard at all for it to be deemed an obstruction, which is.

sheramber

sevenhills said:

Are roundabouts a safer option?

Not always.

We  had a roundabout where one approaching carriageway had three lanes, One with an arrow pointing left, middle one with an arrow pointing straight ahead and right hand lane with an arrow pointing straight ahead and right.

Unfortunately, the carriageway straight ahead only had one lane. So ,two cars going round the roundabout side by side both wanting to go straight ahead. Two into one doesn't go.

Car_54

ontheroad1970 said:

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ontheroad1970 said:

sevenhills said:

The crossroads is in an area of terraced houses, so cars and sometimes vans are parking right on the junction. I don't believe there are any parking restrictions, I am sure the white markings are visible, but drivers often read the road and cannot see a gap between the parked cars.

Not sure if it's a 20/30 mph area, it could well be 20mph.

Take photocopies of the relevant section of the Highway Code with the instruction - You MUST NOT  park within 10m of a junction.  It even has the relevant legislation act next to it.

You clearly haven't read the HC yourself. It does not say "MUST NOT", which would indicate a legal requirement. What it actually says (Rule 243) is:

"DO NOT stop or park ... opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space"

There is NO relevant legislation.

I have.  It's been a while, but I remember grabbing a copy of the HC and showing it to someone who had made it awkward for my brother to reverse up the narrow cul-de-sac road my parents lived on.  At the time there were no yellow lines, there definitely was a legislation marker by it in the appendix.  

So I used slightly differing terminology.  My point is that the use of imperatives in the HC point to something that is prohibited or prescribed by law.  But keep up your pedantry.  

So, pointing out egregious errors, misquotations and misleading advice is now pedantry?
We live and learn.

ontheroad1970

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ontheroad1970 said:

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ontheroad1970 said:

sevenhills said:

The crossroads is in an area of terraced houses, so cars and sometimes vans are parking right on the junction. I don't believe there are any parking restrictions, I am sure the white markings are visible, but drivers often read the road and cannot see a gap between the parked cars.

Not sure if it's a 20/30 mph area, it could well be 20mph.

Take photocopies of the relevant section of the Highway Code with the instruction - You MUST NOT  park within 10m of a junction.  It even has the relevant legislation act next to it.

You clearly haven't read the HC yourself. It does not say "MUST NOT", which would indicate a legal requirement. What it actually says (Rule 243) is:

"DO NOT stop or park ... opposite or within 10 metres (32 feet) of a junction, except in an authorised parking space"

There is NO relevant legislation.

I have.  It's been a while, but I remember grabbing a copy of the HC and showing it to someone who had made it awkward for my brother to reverse up the narrow cul-de-sac road my parents lived on.  At the time there were no yellow lines, there definitely was a legislation marker by it in the appendix.  

So I used slightly differing terminology.  My point is that the use of imperatives in the HC point to something that is prohibited or prescribed by law.  But keep up your pedantry.  

So, pointing out egregious errors, misquotations and misleading advice is now pedantry?
We live and learn.

I stand corrected and offer my apologies.  I do specifically remember seeing the 10m reference in the appendix of a HC book.  This was probably 20 years ago.

Manxman_in_exile

sevenhills said:

The crossroads is in an area of terraced houses, so cars and sometimes vans are parking right on the junction. I don't believe there are any parking restrictions, I am sure the white markings are visible, but drivers often read the road and cannot see a gap between the parked cars.

Not sure if it's a 20/30 mph area, it could well be 20mph.

Can you post a link to it for Google Street View?  Might be helpful to be able to see it.

sevenhills

Manxman_in_exile said:

Can you post a link to it for Google Street View?  Might be helpful to be able to see it.

Not sure if this will work.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Clough+St,+Morley,+Leeds/@53.7468971,-1.5923825,33m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x48795e365340eb25:0x42e99ebe50af3232!8m2!3d53.7456119!4d-1.5910823

I drove through the junction today, there was a large van blocking the pavement close by.

The line marking were visible but faded, but parked vehicles on all roads and no changes despite all the complaints.

AdrianC

Looks hard to miss...
https://goo.gl/maps/MLcmzaJEsJPr3Xqv7

From this side, the parking is clearly bays alongside the carriageway, not intruding into it, so you've got a red herring there.
https://goo.gl/maps/4LoFJvo6KdjuhGaJ6

The properties are so close to the priority road that the non-priority road's parking is not intruding into sightlines.
https://goo.gl/maps/6LLJC8HY8eXQzqnq7

Rhubarb_Shed

It is probably worth pointing out that neither Peel St. nor Clough St. are particularly busy; they are mainly residential roads just serving local traffic.

From my own experience of similar crossroads, I'm not convinced that all drivers turning right off the minor road know what to do when faced with someone on the opposite side intending to go straight ahead.

@sevenhills
You're Street View photo includes the house I was born in.  Made my day 

sevenhills

AdrianC said:

Looks hard to miss...
https://goo.gl/maps/MLcmzaJEsJPr3Xqv7

From this side, the parking is clearly bays alongside the carriageway, not intruding into it, so you've got a red herring there.
https://goo.gl/maps/4LoFJvo6KdjuhGaJ6

The properties are so close to the priority road that the non-priority road's parking is not intruding into sightlines.
https://goo.gl/maps/6LLJC8HY8eXQzqnq7

When I drove that way this week, the parking was terrible, it's not on my regular route. Parking bays, same when its zig-zags at Zebra crossings, are like officially sanctioning parking too close to a crossroads.

There was an accident posted on facebook and people were blaming, the drivers, the parking or the white lines; the next day another accident was posted on facebook.

sevenhills

Not sure where the van normally parks, but the driver doesn't care about blocking the pavement. There were a couple of other cars parked, wasn't too bad, probably worst on an evening.

I know it used to be a bus route, not sure if it still is.

White line markings are poor.