No space for 2 smart meters

slipthru

[Deleted User] said:

As others have pointed out, the issue here is two meters and two suppliers. Each supplier is responsible for the meter that supplies its product. Clearly, one supplier and two meters makes this problem easier to resolve. If a supplier deems a meter to be end-of-life then it has to be changed with something. Before people start shouting they will fit a dumb smart meter, I was told recently by a Registered DCC User that there is no such thing as a dumb smart meter. The meters still have to be commissioned to allow firmware updates and monitoring (eg, gas battery life). Moreover, based on my experience last year, a gas meter that hasn’t been commissioned will just show a scrolling ‘awaiting to be commissioned message’. The ‘dumbness’ is that the supplier does not use smart meter readings for billing purposes.

So does this mean in dumb mode that they are still connecting to the network? Just not passing on info.

[Deleted User]

slipthru said:

[Deleted User] said:

As others have pointed out, the issue here is two meters and two suppliers. Each supplier is responsible for the meter that supplies its product. Clearly, one supplier and two meters makes this problem easier to resolve. If a supplier deems a meter to be end-of-life then it has to be changed with something. Before people start shouting they will fit a dumb smart meter, I was told recently by a Registered DCC User that there is no such thing as a dumb smart meter. The meters still have to be commissioned to allow firmware updates and monitoring (eg, gas battery life). Moreover, based on my experience last year, a gas meter that hasn’t been commissioned will just show a scrolling ‘awaiting to be commissioned message’. The ‘dumbness’ is that the supplier does not use smart meter readings for billing purposes.

So does this mean in dumb mode that they are still connecting to the network? Just not passing on info.

From the conversation that I had with someone that knows about these things, the meters are connected to the DCC Network but the supplier is not pulling any meter data. SMETS2 meters provide a lot more information that just meter readings; for example, under/over voltage.

slipthru

Dolor said:

slipthru said:

[Deleted User] said:

As others have pointed out, the issue here is two meters and two suppliers. Each supplier is responsible for the meter that supplies its product. Clearly, one supplier and two meters makes this problem easier to resolve. If a supplier deems a meter to be end-of-life then it has to be changed with something. Before people start shouting they will fit a dumb smart meter, I was told recently by a Registered DCC User that there is no such thing as a dumb smart meter. The meters still have to be commissioned to allow firmware updates and monitoring (eg, gas battery life). Moreover, based on my experience last year, a gas meter that hasn’t been commissioned will just show a scrolling ‘awaiting to be commissioned message’. The ‘dumbness’ is that the supplier does not use smart meter readings for billing purposes.

So does this mean in dumb mode that they are still connecting to the network? Just not passing on info.

From the conversation that I had with someone that knows about these things, the meters are connected to the DCC Network but the supplier is not pulling any meter data. SMETS2 meters provide a lot more information that just meter readings; for example, under/over voltage.

Thanks, glad i avoided getting one installed.

Tokmon

slipthru said:

Dolor said:

slipthru said:

[Deleted User] said:

As others have pointed out, the issue here is two meters and two suppliers. Each supplier is responsible for the meter that supplies its product. Clearly, one supplier and two meters makes this problem easier to resolve. If a supplier deems a meter to be end-of-life then it has to be changed with something. Before people start shouting they will fit a dumb smart meter, I was told recently by a Registered DCC User that there is no such thing as a dumb smart meter. The meters still have to be commissioned to allow firmware updates and monitoring (eg, gas battery life). Moreover, based on my experience last year, a gas meter that hasn’t been commissioned will just show a scrolling ‘awaiting to be commissioned message’. The ‘dumbness’ is that the supplier does not use smart meter readings for billing purposes.

So does this mean in dumb mode that they are still connecting to the network? Just not passing on info.

From the conversation that I had with someone that knows about these things, the meters are connected to the DCC Network but the supplier is not pulling any meter data. SMETS2 meters provide a lot more information that just meter readings; for example, under/over voltage.

Thanks, glad i avoided getting one installed.

Why? What exactly do you think the negatives are of smart meters?

[Deleted User]

Tokmon said:

slipthru said:

Dolor said:

slipthru said:

[Deleted User] said:

As others have pointed out, the issue here is two meters and two suppliers. Each supplier is responsible for the meter that supplies its product. Clearly, one supplier and two meters makes this problem easier to resolve. If a supplier deems a meter to be end-of-life then it has to be changed with something. Before people start shouting they will fit a dumb smart meter, I was told recently by a Registered DCC User that there is no such thing as a dumb smart meter. The meters still have to be commissioned to allow firmware updates and monitoring (eg, gas battery life). Moreover, based on my experience last year, a gas meter that hasn’t been commissioned will just show a scrolling ‘awaiting to be commissioned message’. The ‘dumbness’ is that the supplier does not use smart meter readings for billing purposes.

So does this mean in dumb mode that they are still connecting to the network? Just not passing on info.

From the conversation that I had with someone that knows about these things, the meters are connected to the DCC Network but the supplier is not pulling any meter data. SMETS2 meters provide a lot more information that just meter readings; for example, under/over voltage.

Thanks, glad i avoided getting one installed.

Why? What exactly do you think the negatives are of smart meters?

Like you, I just can’t fathom why people will happily use the Internet; mobile phones etc but feel it necessary to protect themselves from smart meters. Smart meters connect to a mobile network or use UHF radio. As I post my router is picking up 6 adjacent wifi networks. The Zigbee network that is used to establish the Home Area Network is used in numerous smart devices such as eTRVs. Indeed, when I sit in my lounge I am closer to my neighbour’s smart meter than I am to my own.