Uk residency card inadmissible passenger forced to pay for hotel qurantine

zonnard

also got this email back from the embassy.
after explaining the situation to them

As you may know, XXXXX(nationality) ordinary and official passport holders are required to have visa to enter Turkey. These passport holders with a valid Schengen members or USA, UK, Ireland visa or valid residence permit may get their one month period single entry e-Visas.

 

In accordance with the article 7.1b of “the Law on Foreigners and International Protection” no.6458, foreigners wishing to enter Turkey should carry a travel document (passport) with an expiration date at least 60 days beyond the “duration of stay” of their visa, e-Visa, visa exemption, or valid residence permit.

 

In this context, Turkish border force may not accept/rely on digital or online forms. They do have full right not to accept it if you cannot provide a valid residence permit card, as you stated in your e-mail.

 

On the other hand, we would like to remind you that, even you have all the necessary documents; Turkish border force has full right to deny your entry.

 

In order to seek your legal rights, as an XXXXX(nationality) citizen, you can always contact XXXXXXX Diplomatic and Consular offices in Turkey.

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trying to understand ;
1.  if she was carrying a passport, e-visa, visa  OR valid RESIDENCE PERMIT.
     - She was carrying a passport, had an e-visa, did NOT have a valid residency    permit.  

It says OR valid residency permit, it's an option right? a or b.

"In this context, Turkish border force may not accept/rely on digital or online forms. They do have full right not to accept it if you cannot provide a valid residence permit card, as you stated in your e-mail."

So they can rely on digital or online forms if they want to...

What I determined is that they have the option to consider the digital or online forms, I need to establish whether the OR valid residency permit is an option or a requirement. before they consider any digital form

thanks so much to everyone who responded, big thank you!

She won't travel now and changed her mind after pegasus refused a complete refund, I will try to help her to get her money back at least for the return
 

Sandtree

So she had selected a visa type based not on her passport type but on her residency but failed to produce evidence of the residency required to validate her visa. 

The linked story is different and broadly irrelevant... the news story is about airlines refusing boarding people with eVisa's who've not printed the visa out because the airline cannot validate the visa electronically and they get fined if they transport someone to a country who are subsequently refused entry for not having the right to enter. 

You generally cannot expect government/border agency people of one country to access and consider digital systems of another country. Hence the Turkish border guards what to see physical evidence of the residency to validate the eVisa. Had they applied for a different class of visa based on their nationality then the residency aspect would have been irrelevant. 

zonnard

thanks for the reply sandtree! 

Well, I just went through the applying e-visa for turkey myself just to understand better what she meant as a test. 
I understand what she means or confused her, with the term valid.

Sandtree said:

So she had selected a visa type based not on her passport type but on her residency but failed to produce evidence of the residency required to validate her visa. 

The linked story is different and broadly irrelevant... the news story is about airlines refusing boarding people with eVisa's who've not printed the visa out because the airline cannot validate the visa electronically and they get fined if they transport someone to a country who are subsequently refused entry for not having the right to enter. 

You generally cannot expect government/border agency people of one country to access and consider digital systems of another country. Hence the Turkish border guards what to see physical evidence of the residency to validate the eVisa. Had they applied for a different class of visa based on their nationality then the residency aspect would have been irrelevant. 

Wait not really, 
She selected e-visa based on her passport, her nationality is eligible for e-visa in turkey, she selected e-visa BCS of her nationality, she had to type different information, including; The type of supporting doc.  - Residency permit | Supporting document from - UK | supporting doc n -  xxxxx | supporting doc expiry date - ticked unlimited(EU settlement linked to rdc with indefinite  leave to remain)


As such, she followed and applied for the right e-visa, but the authority border didn't accept her online e-visa which she showed through her phone, along with her passport. As you and others said, I cannot expect the right authority to access and consider digital government trusted efficient system although that confuses me a lot, it is what it is!    

Anyway, she then provided her residency card with the same number(but had the expired date 2020) however her status is available online on the gov.uk portal, but let's not chase a dead fish.

Lesson learned biometric identities are USELESS  and not recognized abroad only good to identify yourself inside your own country I guess. 

Sandtree

If her eVisa was applicable with her own national passport alone then her residency in the UK was irrelevant 

zonnard said:
As you may know, XXXXX(nationality) ordinary and official passport holders are required to have visa to enter Turkey. These passport holders with a valid Schengen members or USA, UK, Ireland visa or valid residence permit may get their one month period single entry e-Visas.

This however says that her evisa isnt applicable to her own national passport but only in combination with an appropriate visa or residency permit to the listed countries. Not sure why you've removed her nationality, would make it much easier to check the entry requirements. In the absence of such residency/visa then she needed a different visa type to enter Turkey.


I'm also a little confused how she has an expired residency card if you say she has PR (the equiv of ILR via the EU route). PR gives you a card with a 10 year validity and it cannot be much more (if at all) than 10 years since they were introduced as the Mrs' PR was in the form of a stamp in her passport and that wasn't much more than 10 years ago.

The other bit... she had a 1 month Visa and yet you said she was intended to wait it out until Turkey got off the Red List? That was highly optimistic or she was intended to overstay her visa

maman

I've travelled to Turkey many times and their evisa links electronically to your passport but I still print a hard copy just in case. 

But that's not the problem here.

It seems a stipulation is that her UK residency is current in hard copy on the card which it wasn't. So she'd assumed that because the update was available online then it should have been OK. But it wasn't. The Turkish authorities can't/won't accept an online form.

Their decision. 

sheramber

Presumably she had to show her UK residency permit as she cam off a UK flight.

Turkey has a problem with illegal immigrants so I expect they are very particular about entry documents.

While she may not use the return ticket booked  did she pay for the return flight to UK?

Sandtree

sheramber said:

Presumably she had to show her UK residency permit as she cam off a UK flight.

But the UK authorities can check digital permits issued by UK authorities. You cannot go to the other ~194 countries and assume they have access to the UK Authority's digital assets. I know we are terrible at thinking the UK is the centre of the world but to most its just another country. Try turning up at the UK border with a Tuvaluan app that says, in Tuvaluan, that you have had double vaccination and see how the UKBF react.  

stoneman

she should have kept that residency card in her pocket. It was a dead cert they would not allow entry with a card that was clearly out of date