NHS worker PCN during pandemic 10 July 2021 at 7:41PM in Parking tickets, fines & parking 19 replies 492 views

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Teme9 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Certainly not!  This is where you win and it's a point of principle that has no huge costs risk nor CCJ risk as long as you follow our advice (2nd post of the NEWBIES thread).

If you'd rather not get a claim over Xmas then in your response to Gs, tell them you are a busy Doctor and need time to seek debt advice, as is your right under the pre-action protocol.  Get a 30 day hold to knock the claim into January if that's better for you.

Get a SAR from the PPC if you have not already. It will then be back when you het the claim.

My concern is that court might find me at fault as according to the display sign, I did not have a valid permit at the time. 

Not sure if I mentioned in the original thread, but I didn’t have a valid permit at the time as my place of residency required me to prove proof of V5C to get a permit which I couldn’t get from my parents as they were shielding. (Yes I could’ve gotten them to post it but who has time when there’s a pandemic?)

it’s 2 tickets for the exact reason and the agency Thames valley refused to request cancellation to PCM. 

It’s annoying cause I was a resident of the place, £10 for parking a month but didn’t get a valid display cause of the most stupid request ever.

In which case , if the judge says you pay , pay the total figure set by the judge ASAP , definitely within one month , to swerve the CCJ , finito !!

Coupon-mad

What you describe is a defendable case.  You paid £10 per month for the right to park and that contract was not with PCM, was it? Either way, any obligation to display a permit was void for impossibility.  You could not have complied at that time and made reasonable endeavours.

Clearly the landowner should have added you to a whitelist to protect you whilst an administrative delay was sorted, or they could have told their agent to cancel these PCNs.

Nothing you did was in breach and PCM were offering you nothing of value, so there wan't a contract with you.  I'd suggest,  no need to have any dilemma here, you may as well defend.

Respond as per the NEWBIES thread and get that SAR from PCM.  Well worth defending and I would tell the solicitors what your position is and what your defence will focus on.  Judges prefer to see a party openly engage to try to avoid court.

Teme9

I’ve just seen the second post in the newbie thread, that’s another potentially £250 at risk for court fees if I was to lose right? 

Teme9

The dates of the parking tickets were 24/11/2020 and 30/12/2020 
this was just during the start of the second wave of pandemic in hospital 

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Teme9 said:

I’ve just seen the second post in the newbie thread, that’s another potentially £250 at risk for court fees if I was to lose right? 

Wrong , a typical loss in court for one PCN is about £200 in total , £100 typical PCN plus up to £100 in legal fees and court costs , making about £200 to pay , if you lost in court !

So for 2 PCN s it could be say £300 in total !

D_P_Dance

The reality is, if they take you to court, you are very unlikelty to win.  Judges are not fools, they hear these scam claims every day 

Coupon-mad

Teme9 said:

I’ve just seen the second post in the newbie thread, that’s another potentially £250 at risk for court fees if I was to lose right? 

No.  Absolutely not, where did you get that idea?

If you lose it adds £60 court fees but they can't have the fake £60 'debt recovery' so cancels itself out.  Only other possible is a flat £50 legal fees  and tuppence ha'penny in interest.

This is the reason everyone defends. There is no risk by following our advice.  About 1% of people lose here.  No CCJ, no huge costs, no sitting on the naughty step, nothing.

95Rollers

Coupon-mad said:

Teme9 said:

I’ve just seen the second post in the newbie thread, that’s another potentially £250 at risk for court fees if I was to lose right? 

No.  Absolutely not, where did you get that idea?

If you lose it adds £60 court fees but they can't have the fake £60 'debt recovery' so cancels itself out.  Only other possible is a flat £50 legal fees  and tuppence ha'penny in interest.

This is the reason everyone defends. There is no risk by following our advice.  About 1% of people lose here.  No CCJ, no huge costs, no sitting on the naughty step, nothing.

So not only would you reduce the loss if you actually did lose in court- but you also obliterate the scammers profits. The court fees that would have to be paid on a loss is money they've already spent out so that is no profit, then even if you paid £50 legal costs to them - that's also another loss as they will have likely spent 2-3 times that on a rep plus they've spent Money paying their legal contractors for a Copy & Paste WS (with VAT on top) and other scams they've been suckered into by DCBL, Gladstones, BW etc. So the PPC walks away with a financial loss most times and the only winners are their legal reps who get paid by the PPC (which will be partially covered by the Defendant if the claimant wins). 

Also how can they justify adding on £60-70 "debt recovery fees" if its gone to court!? I would suggest they've failed to get money before that stage - if someone has binned all their lying threatogram letters then I'd suggest that makes them pretty incompetent and ineffective "collectors" because they've collected nothing and their mark wasn't scared by their bullsh*t!!! So why these morons think they can tax people for their ineptitude is beyond me!

Most PPCs don't care if you are key worker keeping the country going through a pandemic. They mostly took Furlough money and are cashing in on their backlog of PCNs. But a Judge is more likely to respect this as are readers of your local paper.

KeithP

Teme9 said:

...have received a letter from Gladstone’s that they’ll proceed to a county court claim if I fail to pay. 

@Teme9, what happened after you received this letter in November 2021 - fifteen months ago?