suggestions for smart ev charger.

Solarchaser

Sure, it's this

£695 - Zappi

£85 - Hub

£19 - CT clamp (1 with Zappi, 1 additional)

£295 - Installation, materials & Warranty 

= £1,094

-£50 discount for less materials and labour

= £1,044

-£350 OZEV

= £694

-£250 EST Cash-back

= £444 net cost

The discount is because I've ran all the wires already, so without that, it would be closer to£500

EVandPV

Solarchaser said:

Sure, it's this

£695 - Zappi

£85 - Hub

£19 - CT clamp (1 with Zappi, 1 additional)

£295 - Installation, materials & Warranty 

= £1,094

That's pretty much what we paid with EV Charge Points in Dunfermline.
Can't quite remember what it ended up costing us after the grant and EST payment but the total cost was just under £1100 

Heedtheadvice

Interesting.

My quote (tethered zappi, hub, two CTs slightly less), labour and material slightly more, grants etc identical.

Discount on yours obviously helps.

The big difference is vat which adds about £220  to mine  whereas I presume vat is included in your costings.

Still, too late now for me to cancel even if I could get your costs replicated. How long ago was your install, Solarchaser? Just wondering as many trade costs have really risen recently for reasons we all probably know well!

Solarchaser

The quote was 1 week ago.
I haven't had the install yet.

I've said to go ahead with an actual quote so I can get the est application in, as it has to go in before the installation. 

Edit. If your quote shows the £350 and £250 discount, then it should be noted the £350 from UK government already has vat on it(or has vat to come off it more accurately) so I'd have thought the vat would already be in the cost.

Zappi and hub already include vat at the prices stated.
https://myenergi.com/product/zappi/

Finally, if the cables arnt currently being laid, then you still have time to cancel

EVandPV

Solarchaser said:

The quote was 1 week ago.
I haven't had the install yet.

I've said to go ahead with an actual quote so I can get the est application in, as it has to go in before the installation. 

Edit. If your quote shows the £350 and £250 discount, then it should be noted the £350 from UK government already has vat on it(or has vat to come off it more accurately) so I'd have thought the vat would already be in the cost.

Zappi and hub already include vat at the prices stated.
https://myenergi.com/product/zappi/

Finally, if the cables arnt currently being laid, then you still have time to cancel.

Ours was installed 2 years ago, so not much change in the price since then. 

thevilla

Mine was installed Friday.  £825 after the grant.  Some quotes were over £2k as they insisted on adding a new consumer unit alongside the existing one.  The installation was performed from the meter box which made it cheaper but I believe the DNO may frown upon it.  Cost me another £50 to call the installer back to move the CT for the hot water diverter which was in the CU. 

Watch out for that if you have one.

I added a harvi to the solar diverter so the zappi could use the energy available to hot water for the EV with no manual intervention needed.  Use with 3rd party diverters is an advertised feature. That wasn't straight forward and I have a support call out as the diverter's power management may be stopping the harvi measuring the current correctly.  Looks naff in the app but I "think" it may actually be working because the harvi recognises and reports zero watts when the zappi has requestioned all the spare leccy.  Jury still out on that as CT only modified today.

HTH.

Heedtheadvice

Hi thanks all for the further discussion.

With regards to quotations it is (only) a little like comparing apples and pears!

If you add the extra for the tethered version I am buying,  Solarchaser's discount then our prices come closer together - about £150 in it. That is still quite a big percentage however and I suspect the travel time cost  to get to me from the Central belt would possible increase the labour charge Solarchaser mentions. I am surprised that there are not more EV/PHEV in my area and certainly chargers are few and cost in general. Our forgotten corner is not really typical of Scotland as a whole on both counts and distances do not help.

If travel time cost is charged then adding on four or more hours could not only increase the quote but maybe even exceed mine! One of the issues with being very rural - lack of competition and local choice and little opportunity for shared travel costs for an installer!

I am not going to cancel my install (even if I was legally entitled to do so) as I expect my installer will do a more than adequate job based on past experience and their reputation in the trade. Plus if things do go a bit wrong they are close by to rectify any problem - I would hope not to have the problem mentioned by thevilla and having to pay for a distant installer to return would be exorbitant, though I wonder why the villa had to pay anything extra!

I have found this thread to be very useful not only to find mine is a bit more expensive an installation but also to put it in context.

I have guessed that the Zappi (over and above 'manual' switching by me which was the probable alternative) will save about £75 per annum. Not a great saving (the car takes care of much of that!) so payback time will be somewhere in the region of 8 years with hopefully a much longer life!

Thanks all

Solarchaser

You have obviously given it alot of thought, and reasoned it all out, so all good.
I think really it comes down to you, if you are happy enough with your quite and the job that will be done, then happy days really.

I'd think with you being more rural you may be eligible for £350 est instead if the £250 us central belters get?

Heedtheadvice

Hi Solarchaser

Yes it does come down a little to personal choice.

On the "eligible for £350 EST grant"

Unfortunately not. We are not considered rural enough! Though some would think we ought to be!

From EST website"The additional top up of up to £100 is only available to properties in postcodes that fall under category 8 of the Scottish Government’s most recent Urban Rural Classification"

When you look into that it is described as follows "

It is based upon two main criteria:

(i) population as defined by National Records of Scotland (NRS), and (ii) accessibility based on drive time analysis to differentiate between accessible and remote areas in Scotland.

"

Classification 8 (required for the uplift by EST) is defined as "Areas with a population of less than 3,000 people, and with a drive time of over 60 minutes to a settlement of 10,000 or more."

To my mind that leaves a lot open to interpretation such as how big is the area for 3000 folk and how fast or slow we drive that  the drive time!

Effectively given the official interpretation that rules out most if not all southern Scotland! Quite a lot of the Highlands are ruled out too. Whether one considers a car essential, such as to get to big supermarkets or many a hospital appointment, and the like, does not come into the definition!

The good news is that my install was completed this morning. Brilliant job and although only currently using two CT units there is cabling for a third (which some will want with diverters or battery storage to prioritise EV charging if that is to be chosen) or make use of the control input for the low cost overnight tarriff from the likes of Octopus.

Hope your quote, grant and install go well too.

silvercar

I hope this is the right thread.

OH is looking at getting a company electric car. We will need to have a charger installed at home. I don’t really know where to start looking for this.

One issue we may have is that our electric meter and fuse board are in the centre of the house with solid floors. Is this a problem? We have electricity in our attached garage, so could use a 3 pin plug in charger from there, but that doesn’t seem ideal.