Forget that I ever existed

getmore4less

Any activity your employer expects you to do would(should) normally come under working.

What many forget is that work can be at a rate of £0ph as long as it does not breach min wage regulations. 

Slinky

Sandtree said:

. For many other jobs however the idea that the time on the clock is more important than productivity etc is generally being seen as antiquated and focusing on the wrong things (I forget the term thats been created to describe it)

Presenteeism

Thrugelmir

maisie_cat said:

molerat said:

TheSpiddalKid said:

There was until about 10 years ago a tower block in the centre of Rochdale, above the old bus station, which housed part of the council staff. It was i think built in the early 70's at which time there was agreement with the unions that staff officially started at 0908 and finished work at 16:22 to account for the calculated 8 minutes it took to get from the front door to the furthest desk on the top floor but still got paid from 9:00 - 16:30. the rule was famously done away with when the tower block was demolished in the mid 2000's and staff moved to other premises with less floors. 

And council staff wonder why they get a bad rep.  I know someone who worked for a council and they all sat at their desks from 1650 with their coats on.  They weren't happy when the department got TUPED as that bit wasn't in the deal.

I've worked in a few public sector organisations and it was endemic.  on a flexi scheme which was widely abused, people coming into work at 8 then making private phone calls for an hour,  going to breakfast, reading the paper, actually going home to take the kids to school without clocking out, coming in, clocking in then going for a shower.

Very accurate reflection unfortunately of the culture that exists. 

Dakta

Makes you wonder where people feel the money actually comes from that pays their wages!

I actually get a bit anxious when there's not a lot to do. It's got nothing to do with 'liking' working 

sonofmerton

an interesting thread.

this reminded me of someone i worked with. 10am arrived (flexible working hours) and no sign of him. so i phoned. he had overslept and lived around 18 miles away. i said i would see him in an hour.

so we got to about 1130am. i phoned again. he had fallen back asleep for a snooze he said. obviously my patience was wearing thin by this time. i said to them to stay up and get ready now. other calls were then made when there was no sign of him at 1pm or 2pm, no answer.  

he eventually turned up just before 3pm. one person he told them his cat was sick, another person he said his car had broken down and he told me it had been 'one of those days'. but 'not spent at work' i told him. 

happyc84

Depends on the skill level of the job; and the need to be there in front of a computer/production line.

Too many companies employs poor managers who can only do their job by bullying staff; the staff who are not being bullied often look the other way and do nothing collectively to support change. 

1st proper job, we had flexible working - Start between 7 and 9 finish between 3 and 5 for day shift staff. Able to build up flexi time over that months to take time out. Also worked paid overtime when company requested. 300k employees. Yup that big.

After many other jobs in other sectors the worst ones are UK based with out-dated management views. Honestly they think if they beat the drum quicker productivity goes up! There are reasons UK productivity is one of the lowest in the G7, Presenteeism is one of them.