Grant 4 with IVA

Aaron1204

Hi all,

I've just joined the forum and hoping I may be able get some much needed advice. 

I have applied for and received the first three SEISS grants. However I have been told by HMRC that I am not eligible for the 4th grant. 

The reason for this is because I did not submit a self assessment for 19 to 20.

However, I am currently in an IVA, and was unable to do so as this function is disabled for the length of my IVA. HMRC have my IVA on record also. 

I have requested a review and was told it would be 10 working days. That was on the 16th April!

Is anyone else in this position or can offer any advice? 

Thank you

Aaron  

sparklep0ny

Aaron1204 said:

Hi all,

I've just joined the forum and hoping I may be able get some much needed advice. 

I have applied for and received the first three SEISS grants. However I have been told by HMRC that I am not eligible for the 4th grant. 

The reason for this is because I did not submit a self assessment for 19 to 20.

However, I am currently in an IVA, and was unable to do so as this function is disabled for the length of my IVA. HMRC have my IVA on record also. 

I have requested a review and was told it would be 10 working days. That was on the 16th April!

Is anyone else in this position or can offer any advice? 

Thank you

Aaron  

You still need to fill in a tax return, you just need to fill it in on paper rather than online.  I suspect that unless you can show you were misadvised by HMRC over this your appeal will fail.

Aaron1204

sparklep0ny said:

Aaron1204 said:

Hi all,

I've just joined the forum and hoping I may be able get some much needed advice. 

I have applied for and received the first three SEISS grants. However I have been told by HMRC that I am not eligible for the 4th grant. 

The reason for this is because I did not submit a self assessment for 19 to 20.

However, I am currently in an IVA, and was unable to do so as this function is disabled for the length of my IVA. HMRC have my IVA on record also. 

I have requested a review and was told it would be 10 working days. That was on the 16th April!

Is anyone else in this position or can offer any advice? 

Thank you

Aaron  

You still need to fill in a tax return, you just need to fill it in on paper rather than online.  I suspect that unless you can show you were misadvised by HMRC over this your appeal will fail.

Hi, thanks for the reply. 

Neither my IVA Practitioner, nor the HMRC have advised this. Could you tell me where you have seen this information? 

Many thanks

Aaron 

sparklep0ny

Aaron1204 said:

sparklep0ny said:

Aaron1204 said:

Hi all,

I've just joined the forum and hoping I may be able get some much needed advice. 

I have applied for and received the first three SEISS grants. However I have been told by HMRC that I am not eligible for the 4th grant. 

The reason for this is because I did not submit a self assessment for 19 to 20.

However, I am currently in an IVA, and was unable to do so as this function is disabled for the length of my IVA. HMRC have my IVA on record also. 

I have requested a review and was told it would be 10 working days. That was on the 16th April!

Is anyone else in this position or can offer any advice? 

Thank you

Aaron  

You still need to fill in a tax return, you just need to fill it in on paper rather than online.  I suspect that unless you can show you were misadvised by HMRC over this your appeal will fail.

Hi, thanks for the reply. 

Neither my IVA Practitioner, nor the HMRC have advised this. Could you tell me where you have seen this information? 

Many thanks

Aaron 

https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/self-assessment-manual/sam121270

Jeremy535897

See earlier thread on this topic:
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6263612/seiss-grant-4/p1

Aaron1204

It states here that a new record will not be required in voluntary arrangement cases? I have not been declared bankrupt. 

Aaron1204

And this is what my hmrc log in said when I was about to file my self assessment for 19 to 20 

sparklep0ny

Aaron1204 said:

It states here that a new record will not be required in voluntary arrangement cases? I have not been declared bankrupt. 

It says right at the top

For the year that an approved Individual Voluntary Arrangement (VA) or Bankruptcy (BY) (Scotland Award of Sequestration) Order is made the taxpayer is issued with a return manually. The return is prominently noted on issue ‘BY Year’.

Aaron1204

So what does it mean when it states 
"A new record will not be required in voluntary arrangement cases" ?

sparklep0ny

Aaron1204 said:

So what does it mean when it states 
"A new record will not be required in voluntary arrangement cases" ?

It means they won't set up a new file for you (new UTR) which they do with a bankruptcy.

Jeremy535897

The other thread discusses possible grounds of appeal where the inability to file online was a factor, which is why I referenced it. The reference quoted above confirms that you have to comply with ongoing SA filing requirements. See
https://www.gov.uk/hmrc-internal-manuals/self-assessment-manual/sam106120