Advice on music and the Koran.

Jude57

I read the adhan (call to prayer) described as 'music for God') so I'm not sure the Koran does necessarily forbid all music. I don't think anyone could doubt the devotion of Yusuf Islam to his faith, to which he converted decades ago. Whilst it's true he didn't perform live for almost 30 years, in about 2006 he returned to performing and eventually included most of his back catalogue in his regular set list. He's released lots of new music since then although many will still remember him best as Cat Stevens.  

In the Old Testament, Psalm 98:4 says 'Make a joyful noise unto the Lord, all the earth: Break forth and sing for joy, yea, sing praises.' I've always loved that.

74jax

Jude57 said:

I read the adhan (call to prayer) described as 'music for God') so I'm not sure the Koran does necessarily forbid all music. I don't think anyone could doubt the devotion of Yusuf Islam to his faith, to which he converted decades ago. Whilst it's true he didn't perform live for almost 30 years, in about 2006 he returned to performing and eventually included most of his back catalogue in his regular set list. He's released lots of new music since then although many will still remember him best as Cat Stevens.  

In the Old Testament, Psalm 98:4 says 'Make a joyful noise unto the Lord, all the earth: Break forth and sing for joy, yea, sing praises.' I've always loved that.

I find the call to prayer surprisingly soothing. 

Siebrie

Doesn't islam divide rules as 'within the family' and 'outside the home'? and along male/female lines? For instance: women don't wear a headscarf when they are with men they cannot marry (father, brother, husband), but will wear one when other men are around. In a similar vein, as far as I understand, is music and dancing allowed within the family home. Outside the family home, it is fine to dance with a single-sex group. These large wedding parties in the Middle East have halls for women and halls for men, where they dance; and if a person wants to dance, they wrangle an invite to a wedding

Mojisola

Siebrie said:

In a similar vein, as far as I understand, is music and dancing allowed within the family home. Outside the family home, it is fine to dance with a single-sex group. These large wedding parties in the Middle East have halls for women and halls for men, where they dance; and if a person wants to dance, they wrangle an invite to a wedding

It depends on which sect of Islam the family belong to.  Just like there is a wide range of Christian sects who live by different interpretations of the Bible, there is more than one version of Islam.

There are also cultural differences which have become accepted as part of religious practice which vary from country to country.

billy2shots

Don't  confuse culture with religion. 

There are some Islamic countries that practice a much stricter 'version" of their beliefs and there are more liberal, modern countries who don't. Many 'rules' were put in place by that culture and not the religion.

If a female was out in public without a hair covering in some countries it would be considered a huge deal. In Turkey Atatürk lead a revolution amongst other things to modernise the culture and see woman as equal giving them freedom to live 'uncovered' in society. 

An example closer to home. We would consider a good Catholic as someone who regularly attends service, confession and practices their faith. 

In the Philippines devout Catholics have the honour of nailing themselves to a cross and are celebrated by their entire village. 

I would say music is absolutely fine for most followers of Islam (half my family are Muslim for some context). 

TuppenceWorth

Opinions of the armchair scholars mean absolutely nothing and are of no benefit to OP or to mum for that matter.
OP, there is no definitive answer to the permissibility of music.
What I would say is that the dad is strict in his interpretation of Islamic law and is a relative outlier. 
Parenting is ultimately in the hands of mum and dad.

I am a dad, but if I was a mum, I would be making sure that my voice was heard. If it wasn't heard, I would be re evaluating my situation. Being heard doesn't necessarily mean having your own way all the time. Mum needs to be clear of her values and how invested she is in her husband's values. 
I wish her all the best.

74jax

TuppenceWorth said:

Opinions of the armchair scholars mean absolutely nothing and are of no benefit to OP or to mum for that matter.
OP, there is no definitive answer to the permissibility of music.
What I would say is that the dad is strict in his interpretation of Islamic law and is a relative outlier. 
Parenting is ultimately in the hands of mum and dad.

I am a dad, but if I was a mum, I would be making sure that my voice was heard. If it wasn't heard, I would be re evaluating my situation. Being heard doesn't necessarily mean having your own way all the time. Mum needs to be clear of her values and how invested she is in her husband's values. 
I wish her all the best.

I read it as though mum and dad are off the same opinion and its only the gran who wants to try and allow music.
The mum married and converted to his religion. 

AskAsk

74jax said:

TuppenceWorth said:

Opinions of the armchair scholars mean absolutely nothing and are of no benefit to OP or to mum for that matter.
OP, there is no definitive answer to the permissibility of music.
What I would say is that the dad is strict in his interpretation of Islamic law and is a relative outlier. 
Parenting is ultimately in the hands of mum and dad.

I am a dad, but if I was a mum, I would be making sure that my voice was heard. If it wasn't heard, I would be re evaluating my situation. Being heard doesn't necessarily mean having your own way all the time. Mum needs to be clear of her values and how invested she is in her husband's values. 
I wish her all the best.

I read it as though mum and dad are off the same opinion and its only the gran who wants to try and allow music.
The mum married and converted to his religion. 

yeah, didn't hear the OP say anything about the mum not agreeing with the dad.  it is only the OP and his grandson thinking differently.

TuppenceWorth

74jax said:

TuppenceWorth said:

Opinions of the armchair scholars mean absolutely nothing and are of no benefit to OP or to mum for that matter.
OP, there is no definitive answer to the permissibility of music.
What I would say is that the dad is strict in his interpretation of Islamic law and is a relative outlier. 
Parenting is ultimately in the hands of mum and dad.

I am a dad, but if I was a mum, I would be making sure that my voice was heard. If it wasn't heard, I would be re evaluating my situation. Being heard doesn't necessarily mean having your own way all the time. Mum needs to be clear of her values and how invested she is in her husband's values. 
I wish her all the best.

I read it as though mum and dad are off the same opinion and its only the gran who wants to try and allow music.
The mum married and converted to his religion. 

Indeed. If mum and dad share the same parenting values, there is no issue.

pickledonionspaceraider

That is interesting
About five years ago, i attended a Muslim wedding and music and dance were big things during the celebrations