Rewire using unregistered electrician

2020sombre

Getting a 3 bed semi rewired and narrowed it down to 2 electricians. 

Both a not on any register as far as I can see.

One will do the work in 3 days (3 people doing long days) and get it signed off under the Third Party Certification scheme

The other (ltd company) says he will do it in 7 days (2 people working) He is down as an electrician on the NICEIC for his friends company (a NICECI approved contractor) and they will come out to sign off.

He says it is just a way of signing off the certs until he get registered, Its completely normal practice. He also wants the NICEIC to inspect the job as part of him joining his own company up. 

Either that or he will give a non NICEIC certificate then once he is registered with the NICEIC he will reissue you a certificate using the NICEIC certification form.

Does this sound legit? there is a £500 price difference between the two 

Rosa_Damascena

Just reading the title alone - why would you?

As long as a competent person signs the work off you should be fine. S/he/it takes the professional rap should anything go wrong.

tacpot12

I'd tend to go with the one that will use your property for their NICEIC assessment. They will want to do as good and safe a job as they can for the assessor. 

2020sombre

I was going down that route bank transfer on satisfactory completion.

is it the 'normal' industry thing getting people who work for firms to essentially do a rewire like this?

I was getting quotes over £4k for NICEIC / NAPIT companies I had out

Mickey666

If the person doing the work is not experienced it could be that they make a few mistakes along the way . . . or it could be that they will be doubly careful to get everything right first time.  Hard to tell.

However, as long as the final installation is signed off by a competent person/body there will be no problem with the end result.

I would certainly want the contract to state that payments will not be made until the entire installation is completed and fully signed off.  Any non-registered but reasonable person would also understand such a requirement - if they don't then it would raise alarm bells in my mind.

Risteard

The NICEIC Approved Contractor cannot and must not certify the installation for this person. If he is being assessed on it as part of an application to enrol with the NICEIC then the certificate still needs to be in his company's name and not the NICEIC Approved Contractor which hasn't done the job. This is a serious breach of the NICEIC Rules of Enrolment.

Also, the NICEIC don't have a list of Electricians for a company. The Principal Duty Holder (PDH) will be on their records, as will any QSs (Qualified Supervisors). Each company must have a PDH and at least one QS - these must be full-time employees of the company.

Rosa_Damascena

Risteard said:

The NICEIC Approved Contractor cannot and must not certify the installation for this person. If he is being assessed on it as part of an application to enrol with the NICEIC then the certificate still needs to be in his company's name and not the NICEIC Approved Contractor which hasn't done the job. This is a serious breach of the NICEIC Rules of Enrolment.

Also, the NICEIC don't have a list of Electricians for a company. The Principal Duty Holder (PDH) will be on their records, as will any QSs (Qualified Supervisors). Each company must have a PDH and at least one QS - these must be full-time employees of the company.

So how does this translate into practice? If the OP goes with The Apprentice how is the legitimacy of the installation approved within the NICEIC framework?

Risteard

Rosa_Damascena said:

Risteard said:

The NICEIC Approved Contractor cannot and must not certify the installation for this person. If he is being assessed on it as part of an application to enrol with the NICEIC then the certificate still needs to be in his company's name and not the NICEIC Approved Contractor which hasn't done the job. This is a serious breach of the NICEIC Rules of Enrolment.

Also, the NICEIC don't have a list of Electricians for a company. The Principal Duty Holder (PDH) will be on their records, as will any QSs (Qualified Supervisors). Each company must have a PDH and at least one QS - these must be full-time employees of the company.

So how does this translate into practice? If the OP goes with The Apprentice how is the legitimacy of the installation approved within the NICEIC framework?

There was no mention of an Apprentice. If this person carries out the work on behalf of his new company then this company must certify the work. It won't be an NICEIC certificate as they are not currently enrolled with the NIC. It can be used as part of an assessment but there won't be an NIC cert - nor does there need to be. The Wiring Regulations require certification of work but this doesn't require registration with a body. Building Control requirements may be a different issue if this is what you're getting at?