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@michael1234.  I would say it was a very valid question “was your journey essential”.  You are speaking about essential workers and as far as I know this is covered and quite rightly they should have to undergo the tests no matter how rigorous.  It is the only way to keep the virus contained.  Anybody who objects is foolish and shouldn’t be allowed into the country anyway imo.  We have to comply and stamp it out. Nobody is more important than anyone else because Covid doesn’t distinguish!  

michael1234

Tedber said:

@michael1234.  I would say it was a very valid question “was your journey essential”.  You are speaking about essential workers and as far as I know this is covered and quite rightly they should have to undergo the tests no matter how rigorous.  It is the only way to keep the virus contained.  Anybody who objects is foolish and shouldn’t be allowed into the country anyway imo.  We have to comply and stamp it out. Nobody is more important than anyone else because Covid doesn’t distinguish!  

Thats a fair point nobody's life is more important than anyone elses. BUT and its a big but, some travellers are more important than others. In fact much more important than others. That is why the gov recognises that and allows some kinds of travel.

My original point however, was a tiny fightback against the perpetual shooting down and questing of OPs that I see. Lets assume any OPs question is genuine and try to help them before questing other aspects of what they say.

CKhalvashi

Thrugelmir said:

michael1234 said:

Thrugelmir said:

Sometimes in life things go wrong. If fewer people were travelling internationally then there wouldn't be such stress on the system. Was your journey essential? Not as if global pandemics are a regular occurrence and there's an infrastructure in place. 

Was your question essential ? There are numerous highly valid reasons for travel. They include engineers travelling to fix vital infrastructure, medical professionals helping in other countries or this one, families that have been split up.

The thousands of people travelling through Heathrow everyday suggest that many are putting their personal lives first. All these people rushing back from India to beat the deadline, have travelled out in the past year.  The Australians got it right from the off. Controlled re-entry and secure isolation.   

In fairness, Heathrow is most of the time a large connecting airport. I'd say that it's very possible a large number of passenger numbers at Heathrow are connecting, especially those flying transatlantic as not many services are running from mainland Europe now.

CKhalvashi

michael1234 said:

Tedber said:

@michael1234.  I would say it was a very valid question “was your journey essential”.  You are speaking about essential workers and as far as I know this is covered and quite rightly they should have to undergo the tests no matter how rigorous.  It is the only way to keep the virus contained.  Anybody who objects is foolish and shouldn’t be allowed into the country anyway imo.  We have to comply and stamp it out. Nobody is more important than anyone else because Covid doesn’t distinguish!  

Thats a fair point nobody's life is more important than anyone elses. BUT and its a big but, some travellers are more important than others. In fact much more important than others. That is why the gov recognises that and allows some kinds of travel.

My original point however, was a tiny fightback against the perpetual shooting down and questing of OPs that I see. Lets assume any OPs question is genuine and try to help them before questing other aspects of what they say.

There are legal reasons for travel to be allowed, and very few of these would involve a family. Yes, families have been separated, but that's no reason to break the law by leaving the UK. I don't question in my posts someones motives and simply answer the question, however I have a posting style that is different to others here.

We need to act responsibly and in accordance with the law, which means no personal travel at this time, and in relation to the OP's question, involves returning testing kits as legally required, which they failed to do.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi said:

Thrugelmir said:

michael1234 said:

Thrugelmir said:

Sometimes in life things go wrong. If fewer people were travelling internationally then there wouldn't be such stress on the system. Was your journey essential? Not as if global pandemics are a regular occurrence and there's an infrastructure in place. 

Was your question essential ? There are numerous highly valid reasons for travel. They include engineers travelling to fix vital infrastructure, medical professionals helping in other countries or this one, families that have been split up.

The thousands of people travelling through Heathrow everyday suggest that many are putting their personal lives first. All these people rushing back from India to beat the deadline, have travelled out in the past year.  The Australians got it right from the off. Controlled re-entry and secure isolation.   

In fairness, Heathrow is most of the time a large connecting airport. I'd say that it's very possible a large number of passenger numbers at Heathrow are connecting, especially those flying transatlantic as not many services are running from mainland Europe now.

India's primary strain of the virus is the UK's.  Doesn't take much to guess why. If people haven't grasped the concept of personal responsibility by now they never will. There's little hope for addressing climate change either given the oblivious attitude shown by far too many. 

michael1234

CKhalvashi said:

michael1234 said:

Tedber said:

@michael1234.  I would say it was a very valid question “was your journey essential”.  You are speaking about essential workers and as far as I know this is covered and quite rightly they should have to undergo the tests no matter how rigorous.  It is the only way to keep the virus contained.  Anybody who objects is foolish and shouldn’t be allowed into the country anyway imo.  We have to comply and stamp it out. Nobody is more important than anyone else because Covid doesn’t distinguish!  

Thats a fair point nobody's life is more important than anyone elses. BUT and its a big but, some travellers are more important than others. In fact much more important than others. That is why the gov recognises that and allows some kinds of travel.

My original point however, was a tiny fightback against the perpetual shooting down and questing of OPs that I see. Lets assume any OPs question is genuine and try to help them before questing other aspects of what they say.

There are legal reasons for travel to be allowed, and very few of these would involve a family. Yes, families have been separated, but that's no reason to break the law by leaving the UK. I don't question in my posts someones motives and simply answer the question, however I have a posting style that is different to others here.

We need to act responsibly and in accordance with the law, which means no personal travel at this time, and in relation to the OP's question, involves returning testing kits as legally required, which they failed to do.

Of the 7 valid and legal reasons to travel one of them is this:

allowing access to parents with children who do not live in the same country

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/973719/declaration-form-for-international-travel-from-29-march-2021.pdf

Appreciate (no sarcasm whatsoever) your pleasant replies in putting your point of view forward even if I don't believe it is correct. Makes a nice change from some of the discussion on here these days.

silvercar

michael1234 said:

CKhalvashi said:

michael1234 said:

Tedber said:

@michael1234.  I would say it was a very valid question “was your journey essential”.  You are speaking about essential workers and as far as I know this is covered and quite rightly they should have to undergo the tests no matter how rigorous.  It is the only way to keep the virus contained.  Anybody who objects is foolish and shouldn’t be allowed into the country anyway imo.  We have to comply and stamp it out. Nobody is more important than anyone else because Covid doesn’t distinguish!  

Thats a fair point nobody's life is more important than anyone elses. BUT and its a big but, some travellers are more important than others. In fact much more important than others. That is why the gov recognises that and allows some kinds of travel.

My original point however, was a tiny fightback against the perpetual shooting down and questing of OPs that I see. Lets assume any OPs question is genuine and try to help them before questing other aspects of what they say.

There are legal reasons for travel to be allowed, and very few of these would involve a family. Yes, families have been separated, but that's no reason to break the law by leaving the UK. I don't question in my posts someones motives and simply answer the question, however I have a posting style that is different to others here.

We need to act responsibly and in accordance with the law, which means no personal travel at this time, and in relation to the OP's question, involves returning testing kits as legally required, which they failed to do.

Of the 7 valid and legal reasons to travel one of them is this:

allowing access to parents with children who do not live in the same country

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/973719/declaration-form-for-international-travel-from-29-march-2021.pdf

Appreciate (no sarcasm whatsoever) your pleasant replies in putting your point of view forward even if I don't believe it is correct. Makes a nice change from some of the discussion on here these days.

If you follow your link through to the actual reasons acceptable, it is for childcare issues, rather than people wanting to visit family. So adults visiting their very much adult offspring wouldn’t qualify.

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Children and dependents

If you have a reasonable excuse for travel and it is not possible for alternative arrangements to be made for your children or dependent’s care, then your child or dependent will have a reasonable excuse for travel.

Recommended evidence: evidence for your reason for travel, any correspondence showing why childcare could not be provided in UK or other appropriate documents.”

michael1234

silvercar said:

michael1234 said:

CKhalvashi said:

michael1234 said:

Tedber said:

@michael1234.  I would say it was a very valid question “was your journey essential”.  You are speaking about essential workers and as far as I know this is covered and quite rightly they should have to undergo the tests no matter how rigorous.  It is the only way to keep the virus contained.  Anybody who objects is foolish and shouldn’t be allowed into the country anyway imo.  We have to comply and stamp it out. Nobody is more important than anyone else because Covid doesn’t distinguish!  

Thats a fair point nobody's life is more important than anyone elses. BUT and its a big but, some travellers are more important than others. In fact much more important than others. That is why the gov recognises that and allows some kinds of travel.

My original point however, was a tiny fightback against the perpetual shooting down and questing of OPs that I see. Lets assume any OPs question is genuine and try to help them before questing other aspects of what they say.

There are legal reasons for travel to be allowed, and very few of these would involve a family. Yes, families have been separated, but that's no reason to break the law by leaving the UK. I don't question in my posts someones motives and simply answer the question, however I have a posting style that is different to others here.

We need to act responsibly and in accordance with the law, which means no personal travel at this time, and in relation to the OP's question, involves returning testing kits as legally required, which they failed to do.

Of the 7 valid and legal reasons to travel one of them is this:

allowing access to parents with children who do not live in the same country

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/973719/declaration-form-for-international-travel-from-29-march-2021.pdf

Appreciate (no sarcasm whatsoever) your pleasant replies in putting your point of view forward even if I don't believe it is correct. Makes a nice change from some of the discussion on here these days.

If you follow your link through to the actual reasons acceptable, it is for childcare issues, rather than people wanting to visit family. So adults visiting their very much adult offspring wouldn’t qualify.

”

Children and dependents

If you have a reasonable excuse for travel and it is not possible for alternative arrangements to be made for your children or dependent’s care, then your child or dependent will have a reasonable excuse for travel.

Recommended evidence: evidence for your reason for travel, any correspondence showing why childcare could not be provided in UK or other appropriate documents.”

That is not correct. What you copied here is an extract which is talking about childcare arrangements predominantly within the UK.

The relevant section of the act of parliament and the reason I referred to allowing international travel is about contact between parents and their children not childcare arrangements. That is why it features as one of only seven reasons on the international declaration form. If you can't find the section within the act I will happily link to it.

I would need to double check but yes in general the use case is for children under 18 who live away from their parents. The law recognises such contact. Nothing to do with childcare.

michael1234

Yes here it is. Section 11 is the relevant section (my bold).

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/364/schedule/5

11.  Where it is reasonably necessary for P to leave the United Kingdom—

(a)for the purposes of arrangements for access to, and contact between, parents and a child where the child does not live in the same country as their parents or one of their parents,

Childcare is discussed elsewhere. For example here:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/364/regulation/4

Best to stick to topics you know something about.

MattMattMattUK

michael1234 said:

Yes here it is. Section 11 is the relevant section (my bold).

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/364/schedule/5

11.  Where it is reasonably necessary for P to leave the United Kingdom—

(a)for the purposes of arrangements for access to, and contact between, parents and a child where the child does not live in the same country as their parents or one of their parents,

Childcare is discussed elsewhere. For example here:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/364/regulation/4

Best to stick to topics you know something about.

That means children who are legally children, not someone's adult offspring.