Your detective help needed!!! Tracking down an old insurance company...

LHW99

This is quite brief, but does confirm what Thrugelmir is aying

https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/people/ap17748/royal-insurance-company-ltd

Hinch71

LHW99 said:

This is quite brief, but does confirm what Thrugelmir is aying

https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/people/ap17748/royal-insurance-company-ltd

Thanks LHW99! That's similar in content/level of credibility to the British Museum link I posted above... and although it matches what we think/know is right (and what you're all kindly saying too) it's not official enough for my solicitor, or RSA/Phoenix to take as conclusive proof!  Still, I hadn't seen this particularly link before, so thank you :-)

xylophone

https://www.referenceforbusiness.com/history2/92/Royal-Sun-Alliance-Insurance-Group-plc.html

1845: The Royal Insurance Company, based in Liverpool, is founded to provide property and casualty insurance, life insurance, and annuities.1847: Liverpool Fire and Life merges with the London, Edinburgh and Dublin Insurance Company, forming the Liverpool and London Fire and Life Insurance Company.1864: Liverpool and London Fire and Life acquires the Globe Insurance Company, forming the Liverpool and London and Globe Insurance Company.1891: Sun Fire Office becomes the Sun Insurance Office.1919: Royal Insurance acquires Liverpool and London and Globe Insurance.1959: Sun Insurance and Alliance Assurance merge to form Sun Alliance Insurance.1965: Sun Alliance merges with London Assurance to form the Sun Alliance and London Insurance plc.1984: Sun Alliance and London acquires Phoenix Assurance.1988: Royal Insurance Holdings plc is created as a holding company for the various operating companies of Royal Insurance.1989: Sun Alliance and London changes its name to Sun Alliance Group plc.1996: Sun Alliance and Royal Insurance Holdings merge to create Royal & Sun Alliance Insurance Group plc.
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9781871341102/Absolute-integrity-story-Royal-Insurance-1871341108/plp


Read more: https://www.referenceforbusiness.com/history2/92/Royal-Sun-Alliance-Insurance-Group-plc.html#ixzz6q45WSgWs

Thrugelmir

On the charge attached to the property was there a company number quoted? 

sandsy

 Royal and Sun Alliance Inurance plc is registered at Companies House with company registration no. 00093792:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00093792/filing-history?page=16

On the page I've linked, go to the document from 19 June 1907 to see the incorpation document for Royal Insurance Company Limited, also with company registration no.  93792

They are one and the same company. 
eg the document from Jan 1982 changed the name to Royal Inurance plc
The subsequent name change happened with effect from 1 November 1997.

Hinch71

Thrugelmir said:

On the charge attached to the property was there a company number quoted? 

Unfortunately not :-(

Hinch71

sandsy said:

 Royal and Sun Alliance Inurance plc is registered at Companies House with company registration no. 00093792:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00093792/filing-history?page=16

On the page I've linked, go to the document from 19 June 1907 to see the incorpation document for Royal Insurance Company Limited, also with company registration no.  93792

They are one and the same company. 
eg the document from Jan 1982 changed the name to Royal Inurance plc
The subsequent name change happened with effect from 1 November 1997.

Oh gosh @sandsy - I daren’t get my hopes up, but this looks like just what we’ve been hoping for! I’ve emailed it across to my solicitor so that he can have a look in the morning. I’ll let you know, but thank you SO much. If this turns out to be what we need, this is fantastic. Fingers crossed! Thank you!

Hinch71

xylophone said:

https://www.referenceforbusiness.com/history2/92/Royal-Sun-Alliance-Insurance-Group-plc.html

1845: The Royal Insurance Company, based in Liverpool, is founded to provide property and casualty insurance, life insurance, and annuities.1847: Liverpool Fire and Life merges with the London, Edinburgh and Dublin Insurance Company, forming the Liverpool and London Fire and Life Insurance Company.1864: Liverpool and London Fire and Life acquires the Globe Insurance Company, forming the Liverpool and London and Globe Insurance Company.1891: Sun Fire Office becomes the Sun Insurance Office.1919: Royal Insurance acquires Liverpool and London and Globe Insurance.1959: Sun Insurance and Alliance Assurance merge to form Sun Alliance Insurance.1965: Sun Alliance merges with London Assurance to form the Sun Alliance and London Insurance plc.1984: Sun Alliance and London acquires Phoenix Assurance.1988: Royal Insurance Holdings plc is created as a holding company for the various operating companies of Royal Insurance.1989: Sun Alliance and London changes its name to Sun Alliance Group plc.1996: Sun Alliance and Royal Insurance Holdings merge to create Royal & Sun Alliance Insurance Group plc.
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/9781871341102/Absolute-integrity-story-Royal-Insurance-1871341108/plp


Read more: https://www.referenceforbusiness.com/history2/92/Royal-Sun-Alliance-Insurance-Group-plc.html#ixzz6q45WSgWs

Gosh @xylophone you’ve been doing some digging! Thank you SO much. And the great thing is that this either tallies, or fills in some of the gaps, with the other info we’ve been gathering. Along with the promising looking info that Sandsy has shared, I’m letting myself get tentatively hopeful that this might well be what we need. Please keep your fingers crossed for us! I’ll be back to report how it’s gone... Thank you!

sandsy

Hinch71 said:

sandsy said:

 Royal and Sun Alliance Inurance plc is registered at Companies House with company registration no. 00093792:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00093792/filing-history?page=16

On the page I've linked, go to the document from 19 June 1907 to see the incorpation document for Royal Insurance Company Limited, also with company registration no.  93792

They are one and the same company. 
eg the document from Jan 1982 changed the name to Royal Inurance plc
The subsequent name change happened with effect from 1 November 1997.

Oh gosh @sandsy - I daren’t get my hopes up, but this looks like just what we’ve been hoping for! I’ve emailed it across to my solicitor so that he can have a look in the morning. I’ll let you know, but thank you SO much. If this turns out to be what we need, this is fantastic. Fingers crossed! Thank you!

Hope it's what you need (and 'scuse my poor typing - it was late at night and I was on my iPad which isn't great for typing!)
It was a great detective challenge though!

Hinch71

sandsy said:

Hinch71 said:

sandsy said:

 Royal and Sun Alliance Inurance plc is registered at Companies House with company registration no. 00093792:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00093792/filing-history?page=16

On the page I've linked, go to the document from 19 June 1907 to see the incorpation document for Royal Insurance Company Limited, also with company registration no.  93792

They are one and the same company. 
eg the document from Jan 1982 changed the name to Royal Inurance plc
The subsequent name change happened with effect from 1 November 1997.

Oh gosh @sandsy - I daren’t get my hopes up, but this looks like just what we’ve been hoping for! I’ve emailed it across to my solicitor so that he can have a look in the morning. I’ll let you know, but thank you SO much. If this turns out to be what we need, this is fantastic. Fingers crossed! Thank you!

Hope it's what you need (and 'scuse my poor typing - it was late at night and I was on my iPad which isn't great for typing!)
It was a great detective challenge though!

I think you might well have got us over the line here @sandsy! I have had so many disappointments and setbacks these past few weeks that I don’t want to get my hopes up too much.  But my solicitor was very grateful for it and seems fairly confident it’s what we needed.

The challenge we have now is encouraging RSA to prioritise it! It’s not even clear which dept/role can and should confirm they’re happy to sign the deed paperwork. Usually these things involve mortgage businesses, of course, who have a dedicated discharge team! RSA aren’t set up for that. It’s currently with their company secretariat so hopefully they can either do it themselves - or decide who should!! 

I’ll keep you posted :-) Thanks again so much!