MSE News: Bulb to hike energy prices by £91/yr for millions from April

UnclaimedEnergy

@[Deleted User] I remember talking to this guy a month ago and he posted a blog by someone who doesn't believe climate change is real...

He would want green taxes to be completely removed and for the solar/wind farms who managed to finance themselves based on these grants to stop receiving this income for the generation.

A._Badger

[Deleted User] said:

A._Badger said:

[Deleted User] said:

A._Badger said:

I'm getting really sick of this. First, Yorkshire Energy goes bust, following which I get shunted over to the grossly incompetent Scottish Power (who have still to sort out repaying what I am owed by YE, or get an accurate bill to me), then I move to EDF, using MSE's switching service. But no sooner have I moved to EDF than they raise their prices, so, again using MSE, I move to Bulb. And now this. That's four different  suppliers in as many months. This really should not be necessary. 

It is high time that the government got to grips with this faux market and the ridiculous system where we have 'energy companies' that produce nothing at all - they are just intermediary billing organisations, squatting between consumers and producers and adding nothing other than cost to the transaction  They can get rid of OFGEM, too, while they're at it - another source of cost and little, if any, benefit to the consumer and taxpayer.,  

I think that it is called competition. I don’t wish to appear harsh but if you decide to chose a variable rather than a fixed tariff, and small suppliers with no proven track record or significant financial backing just because they offer the lowest prices, then the risks sit firmly with you. The increase in variable tariff prices was well signalled when Ofgem agreed to an increase in the Cap some weeks ago. Ofgem is a non Ministerial Governmental Department: a Government body of some description has to oversee energy supplies; licensing and power distribution. Who would you have do it?

No, it is not called competition. It is a completely artificial system in which layers of 'Green' subsidies and other political motives weight an already difficult market, with a layer of quite unnecessary middle men, the whole mess of which is overseen by an expensive bureaucracy of civil servants, whose track record is lamentable. Competition would be where producers produce at the lowest possible cost and sell against one another to consumers. 

As for choosing a fixed tariff, I have always chosen fixed tariffs until I moved to EDF. And as for 'small companies' how small would you say EDF is? 
    

Fair enough - but who would regulate the UK energy market to ensure, for example, that all the suppliers in the market don’t just buy all their energy from Russian producers at discounted prices? We have another spat with Putin, and all the lights go out? Yes, the Government could remove all green taxes from energy prices along with standing charges and recover the money needed to distribute energy and move to renewables by raising income tax. Most people would argue that a system of the user paying is probably fairer to all.

ISTR it was primarily the Green Party that ran with a manifesto promise to adopt extreme energy policies - no doubt one of the reasons it performed so appallingly. So perhaps a more sensible answer would be for the current government not to be aping the unelectable Greens, waffling about making the UK 'the Saudi Arabia of wind'  and sticking to policies that make economic sense?  As for relying on the Russians, we already import energy from our 'friends and allies' including the notably pro-British French! Germany, meanwhile, relies on Russian gas. That's what happens when governments go rogue.  

A._Badger

UnclaimedEnergy said:

@[Deleted User] I remember talking to this guy a month ago and he posted a blog by someone who doesn't believe climate change is real...

He would want green taxes to be completely removed and for the solar/wind farms who managed to finance themselves based on these grants to stop receiving this income for the generation.

You could at least do me the courtesy of being accurate. What the writer in question doesn't believe in (and nor do I) is  anthropogenc climate change. This is an important distinction and one shared by many scientists and engineers. 

MWT

A._Badger said:

You could at least do me the courtesy of being accurate. What the writer in question doesn't believe in (and nor do I) is  anthropogenc climate change. This is an important distinction and one shared by many scientists and engineers.

Only if you accept that 'many' is it fact a minority ranging from 20% down to 3% depending upon whose numbers you use.

UnclaimedEnergy

A._Badger said:

UnclaimedEnergy said:

@[Deleted User] I remember talking to this guy a month ago and he posted a blog by someone who doesn't believe climate change is real...

He would want green taxes to be completely removed and for the solar/wind farms who managed to finance themselves based on these grants to stop receiving this income for the generation.

You could at least do me the courtesy of being accurate. What the writer in question doesn't believe in (and nor do I) is  anthropogenc climate change. This is an important distinction and one shared by many scientists and engineers. 

I mean... it's not much of an improvement is it https://www.temperaturerecord.org/  - The average temperature was on a downward trend until it suddenly started to rapidly rise in the early 1900s. I wonder what happened around that time?

wild666

[Deleted User] said:

A._Badger said:

I'm getting really sick of this. First, Yorkshire Energy goes bust, following which I get shunted over to the grossly incompetent Scottish Power (who have still to sort out repaying what I am owed by YE, or get an accurate bill to me), then I move to EDF, using MSE's switching service. But no sooner have I moved to EDF than they raise their prices, so, again using MSE, I move to Bulb. And now this. That's four different  suppliers in as many months. This really should not be necessary. 

It is high time that the government got to grips with this faux market and the ridiculous system where we have 'energy companies' that produce nothing at all - they are just intermediary billing organisations, squatting between consumers and producers and adding nothing other than cost to the transaction  They can get rid of OFGEM, too, while they're at it - another source of cost and little, if any, benefit to the consumer and taxpayer.,  

I think that it is called competition. I don’t wish to appear harsh but if you decide to chose a variable rather than a fixed tariff, and small suppliers with no proven track record or significant financial backing just because they offer the lowest prices, then the risks sit firmly with you. The increase in variable tariff prices was well signalled when Ofgem agreed to an increase in the Cap some weeks ago. Ofgem is a non Ministerial Governmental Department: a Government body of some description has to oversee energy supplies; licensing and power distribution. Who would you have do it?

Bulb only have one tariff. It's called the vari-fair tariff. I left them after it went up over 2.4p for the electric and 0.43p for gas they increased the daily charge from 20.44p to 22.87p for electric but not the gas in less than 6 months. If I'd stayed with them I would have been paying 22.87/ 16.17 for electric and 20.44/2.8 for gas (figures in pence). As I am no longer their customer I wonder how much the gas and electric will go or if they will increase the daily charges.
My monthly usage of 174 kWh, electric would cost me £35.23, I've just sent my reading in for this month to my supplier and worked out the usage and for both electric & gas it's under £37 and just the electric alone would cost me nearly that had I stayed with Bulb.

bristolleedsfan

wild666 said:

Dolor said:

A._Badger said:

I'm getting really sick of this. First, Yorkshire Energy goes bust, following which I get shunted over to the grossly incompetent Scottish Power (who have still to sort out repaying what I am owed by YE, or get an accurate bill to me), then I move to EDF, using MSE's switching service. But no sooner have I moved to EDF than they raise their prices, so, again using MSE, I move to Bulb. And now this. That's four different  suppliers in as many months. This really should not be necessary. 

It is high time that the government got to grips with this faux market and the ridiculous system where we have 'energy companies' that produce nothing at all - they are just intermediary billing organisations, squatting between consumers and producers and adding nothing other than cost to the transaction  They can get rid of OFGEM, too, while they're at it - another source of cost and little, if any, benefit to the consumer and taxpayer.,  

I think that it is called competition. I don’t wish to appear harsh but if you decide to chose a variable rather than a fixed tariff, and small suppliers with no proven track record or significant financial backing just because they offer the lowest prices, then the risks sit firmly with you. The increase in variable tariff prices was well signalled when Ofgem agreed to an increase in the Cap some weeks ago. Ofgem is a non Ministerial Governmental Department: a Government body of some description has to oversee energy supplies; licensing and power distribution. Who would you have do it?

.As I am no longer their customer I wonder how much the gas and electric will go or if they will increase the daily charges.

Might be variations between regions  Elec Unit: up 2.07p/kWh ....  Elec SC up 0.01p/day
                                                           Gas Unit: up 0.11p/kWh ....  Gas SC: up 4.72p/day

blackdog2220

north west uk on pay as you go meters , i have contacted edf who have offered fixed price payg till march 22 a bit lower than bulb they are also changing my meters to debit , after my WHD runs out 

rp1974

Those rates aren't great as is nevermind once raised.
The standing charges in particular are scandalous.
Definitely get those meters changed.

blackdog2220

rp1974 said:

Those rates aren't great as is nevermind once raised.
The standing charges in particular are scandalous.
Definitely get those meters changed.

well i asked edf , PAYG and direct debit ,
 edf gas  2.646unit  36.19s/c and on direct debit   2.964unit and  29.79 sc 
 so edf charge more PER UNIT on debit , but s/c is lower 
and for elec PAYG 16,37 27.86s/c and direct debit   16.52 19.53s/c 
again more per unit , but lower s/charge 
I wil, move to edf , get meters changed then before winter have another shop around