Received first 3 grants, will I get 4th? Filed 19/20 late

Pennywise

zzyzx1221 said:

sheramber said:

Whatever the deadline there will be someone who misses it and thinks they should be a special case.

Quite.

If I was the Chancellor I'd set the deadline as Jan 31st and be done with it.  Being generous and giving people some leeway just results in them expecting more leeway.

Yes, very true indeed.  I get really annoyed with some of my clients who won't do anything until I've sent them several reminders.  Some people have a hard wired mentality to work backwards from a deadline - i.e. they think something will only take a few hours so they'll do it the day before a deadline, completely oblivious to the probability of something happening which prevents that, i.e. dog running away, child breaking a wrist, broadband down, lost USB drive, or whatever other minor crisis happens that day.  They also expect everyone else to drop everything to help them - complete denial that other people may have their own day mapped out!
So yes, longer deadlines and extensions just perpetuate people leaving things to the last minute. 
Take the January deadline, I'd been pestering a client for months for a single piece of information - no reason at all why he couldn't just log on or check his paperwork for the information - literally a 5 minute job.  Complete radio silence from him as soon as the extension was announced.  Then come end of February, he starts panicking that the online bank won't let him go back as far as last April and he'd lost the paperwork.  If he'd just checked the online system a few months before, as I repeatedly asked him to, he'd have been easily able to see the figures I needed.  By being a pratt and working to extended deadlines, he'd lost that opportunity and caused himself a few lost working hours by having to drive to his bank to ask for a printout so we could meet the extended deadline.  Serves him right!

zzyzx1221

Pennywise said:

zzyzx1221 said:

sheramber said:

Whatever the deadline there will be someone who misses it and thinks they should be a special case.

Quite.

If I was the Chancellor I'd set the deadline as Jan 31st and be done with it.  Being generous and giving people some leeway just results in them expecting more leeway.

Yes, very true indeed.  I get really annoyed with some of my clients who won't do anything until I've sent them several reminders.  Some people have a hard wired mentality to work backwards from a deadline - i.e. they think something will only take a few hours so they'll do it the day before a deadline, completely oblivious to the probability of something happening which prevents that, i.e. dog running away, child breaking a wrist, broadband down, lost USB drive, or whatever other minor crisis happens that day.  They also expect everyone else to drop everything to help them - complete denial that other people may have their own day mapped out!
So yes, longer deadlines and extensions just perpetuate people leaving things to the last minute. 
Take the January deadline, I'd been pestering a client for months for a single piece of information - no reason at all why he couldn't just log on or check his paperwork for the information - literally a 5 minute job.  Complete radio silence from him as soon as the extension was announced.  Then come end of February, he starts panicking that the online bank won't let him go back as far as last April and he'd lost the paperwork.  If he'd just checked the online system a few months before, as I repeatedly asked him to, he'd have been easily able to see the figures I needed.  By being a pratt and working to extended deadlines, he'd lost that opportunity and caused himself a few lost working hours by having to drive to his bank to ask for a printout so we could meet the extended deadline.  Serves him right!

Indeed.

I can't help but think that with the number of posts here last April with people who had missed the deadline (despite it being 3 months after the actual deadline for submitting your tax return which itself was a good 9 months after the end of the tax year) that it was quite clear that the current penalty system doesn't do enough to sharpen peoples minds.

I'd rather hoped that given people now knew how the SEISS system worked, that there would be no such leniency this year but alas, here we are.

I do think that the penalty system needs revising though at some point in the future. It clearly doesn't work very well.

Thrugelmir

zzyzx1221 said:

Pennywise said:

zzyzx1221 said:

sheramber said:

Whatever the deadline there will be someone who misses it and thinks they should be a special case.

Quite.

If I was the Chancellor I'd set the deadline as Jan 31st and be done with it.  Being generous and giving people some leeway just results in them expecting more leeway.

Yes, very true indeed.  I get really annoyed with some of my clients who won't do anything until I've sent them several reminders.  Some people have a hard wired mentality to work backwards from a deadline - i.e. they think something will only take a few hours so they'll do it the day before a deadline, completely oblivious to the probability of something happening which prevents that, i.e. dog running away, child breaking a wrist, broadband down, lost USB drive, or whatever other minor crisis happens that day.  They also expect everyone else to drop everything to help them - complete denial that other people may have their own day mapped out!
So yes, longer deadlines and extensions just perpetuate people leaving things to the last minute. 
Take the January deadline, I'd been pestering a client for months for a single piece of information - no reason at all why he couldn't just log on or check his paperwork for the information - literally a 5 minute job.  Complete radio silence from him as soon as the extension was announced.  Then come end of February, he starts panicking that the online bank won't let him go back as far as last April and he'd lost the paperwork.  If he'd just checked the online system a few months before, as I repeatedly asked him to, he'd have been easily able to see the figures I needed.  By being a pratt and working to extended deadlines, he'd lost that opportunity and caused himself a few lost working hours by having to drive to his bank to ask for a printout so we could meet the extended deadline.  Serves him right!

I do think that the penalty system needs revising though at some point in the future. It clearly doesn't work very well.

May well be the pay back in the post Covid era. 

Jeremy535897

Thrugelmir said:

zzyzx1221 said:

Pennywise said:

zzyzx1221 said:

sheramber said:

Whatever the deadline there will be someone who misses it and thinks they should be a special case.

Quite.

If I was the Chancellor I'd set the deadline as Jan 31st and be done with it.  Being generous and giving people some leeway just results in them expecting more leeway.

Yes, very true indeed.  I get really annoyed with some of my clients who won't do anything until I've sent them several reminders.  Some people have a hard wired mentality to work backwards from a deadline - i.e. they think something will only take a few hours so they'll do it the day before a deadline, completely oblivious to the probability of something happening which prevents that, i.e. dog running away, child breaking a wrist, broadband down, lost USB drive, or whatever other minor crisis happens that day.  They also expect everyone else to drop everything to help them - complete denial that other people may have their own day mapped out!
So yes, longer deadlines and extensions just perpetuate people leaving things to the last minute. 
Take the January deadline, I'd been pestering a client for months for a single piece of information - no reason at all why he couldn't just log on or check his paperwork for the information - literally a 5 minute job.  Complete radio silence from him as soon as the extension was announced.  Then come end of February, he starts panicking that the online bank won't let him go back as far as last April and he'd lost the paperwork.  If he'd just checked the online system a few months before, as I repeatedly asked him to, he'd have been easily able to see the figures I needed.  By being a pratt and working to extended deadlines, he'd lost that opportunity and caused himself a few lost working hours by having to drive to his bank to ask for a printout so we could meet the extended deadline.  Serves him right!

I do think that the penalty system needs revising though at some point in the future. It clearly doesn't work very well.

May well be the pay back in the post Covid era. 

No need to wait long:
https://www.icaew.com/insights/tax-news/2021/mar-2021/budget-documents-confirm-new-penalty-and-interest-regime#

Ahmed.ST

Thanks for the input. I am not complaining, simply asking for clarification. I am aware that it’s entirely my own fault no excuses. Again, thanks for all the input