Consent Orders and Judges "Fairness" review

BrassicWoman

burlingtonfl6 said:

And it's men who chose to get married, not women. Women are the gatekeepers to sex, men are the gatekeepers to marriage.

*waves to you back in 1940* just wait until you get colour telly, you'll love it!

burlingtonfl6

BrassicWoman said:

burlingtonfl6 said:

And it's men who chose to get married, not women. Women are the gatekeepers to sex, men are the gatekeepers to marriage.

*waves to you back in 1940* just wait until you get colour telly, you'll love it!

Remind me again who are the ones expected to get down on one knee with a ring?

mason's_mum

burlingtonfl6 said:

Men know the world isn't fair. If you choose to marry someone and she takes you to the cleaners, tough.
But what is happening is men are choosing not to get married. Marriage rates are at a historic low.
''Marriage rates for opposite-sex couples are now at the lowest level on record. This continues a gradual long-term decline seen since the early 1970s, with numbers falling by a third over the past 40 years.''

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/marriagecohabitationandcivilpartnerships/bulletins/marriagesinenglandandwalesprovisional/2017
And it's men who chose to get married, not women. Women are the gatekeepers to sex, men are the gatekeepers to marriage.

If these men are as eligible as they believe they are, why aren't they attracting women of a similar calibre? there are plenty of well educated, moderately well off, perfectly nice, single women out there (several among my friends!) however, these women also expect men to bring something to the table, other than a big fat salary... 

BrassicWoman

Remind me again who are the ones expected to get down on one knee with a ring?

I know this one... you are the patriarchy and I claim my £5.

burlingtonfl6

mason's_mum said:

burlingtonfl6 said:

Men know the world isn't fair. If you choose to marry someone and she takes you to the cleaners, tough.
But what is happening is men are choosing not to get married. Marriage rates are at a historic low.
''Marriage rates for opposite-sex couples are now at the lowest level on record. This continues a gradual long-term decline seen since the early 1970s, with numbers falling by a third over the past 40 years.''

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/marriagecohabitationandcivilpartnerships/bulletins/marriagesinenglandandwalesprovisional/2017
And it's men who chose to get married, not women. Women are the gatekeepers to sex, men are the gatekeepers to marriage.

If these men are as eligible as they believe they are, why aren't they attracting women of a similar calibre? there are plenty of well educated, moderately well off, perfectly nice, single women out there (several among my friends!) however, these women also expect men to bring something to the table, other than a bit fat salary... 

Basically, men don't care about how well educated she is, or how well off she is, or the struggles she's been through.
But we will happily be interested in someone who works at a take away if we find her attractive. Women date on their level financially or above. (in general)
Average women now expect above average men. Take height for an example. The vast majority of women would prefer a man over 6ft ( I know, you'll say it's no big deal but men know it is) but only around 15% of the male population is over this height and thats before you factor in those men already taken etc.
You're average, but you've been told that you deserve better. The truth is, nobody deserves anything.
80% of women want the top 20% of men, even though you're not in the top 20% of women (I'm not either)
The internet is awash with young women complaining about the way things are.
Here's a clip I just found on youtube. A female doctor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY5c3p1ZMd4&t=222s
The dating market is flooded with over 30 women who are annoyed that men their age aren't playing the game anymore.
Men are attracted to youth and beauty and someone with hasn't slept around, women are attracted to height, ambition, status, wealth, looks etc etc. 
Women still want a traditional man......but try suggesting they should be traditional women!
Anyway, I wish you all the best, make sure you feed your cats and take of yourself.

wannabe_a_saver

burlingtonfl6 said:

mason's_mum said:

burlingtonfl6 said:

mason's_mum said:

Dingle81 said:

I do find things like this interesting, on a point like below...
"while the wife was caring for their joint child and therefore not in a position to make similar savings.", the wife in this situation could of just as easily worked full time and saved money, it seems the husband is being punished for not saying from the outset  'no, I work full time so you do the same'

OK, so the wife works - should she then be the one paying the childcare costs? if they are sharing them, in this situation they would both have been poorer.
A nursery costs ~£250 a week - which has to be earned after tax. if you're in a NMW job then you'd just about break even. pretty much your whole wages going on childcare, so no savings to be gained there. Obviously if she was in some highly paid job (which burlingtonfl6 believes most women aren't able to get) it would be a different calculation - but then I would expect husband to be doing 50% of household jobs and any extras.
Doesn't sound very "fair" to me

Statistics prove that men earn more (on average) because they work in the Stem sector and work in more dangerous environments. Women have the choice to do the same but when given that choice they choose not to. Studies in the countries with more ''gender equality'' prove this.
https://www.thejournal.ie/gender-equality-countries-stem-girls-3848156-Feb2018/
Nothing wrong with this fact, people are free to choose but they shouldn't complain about the outcome of their choices

Interesting that you should pick that as an example.  I work in STEM and my partner works in business management and earns more than I do! STEM is notoriously badly paid!
Men do earn more than women on average, but not hugely so (~8% - this gap is lower for those under 40 years old)  - average UK full time wage is ~£30,000 (Source: here) and if you are earning £80k per year you are in the top 5% of earners, so I doubt there really are these plethora of high earning men choosing to marry, have children with and then divorce waitresses (or other jobs you consider menial!) although if there are, they are also free to choose this, but they also shouldn't complain about the outcome of their choices...

And it's men who chose to get married, not women. Women are the gatekeepers to sex, men are the gatekeepers to marriage.

You have got to be the funniest poster on here, you stay in character perfectly! 

Gavin83

burlingtonfl6 said:

mason's_mum said:

burlingtonfl6 said:

mason's_mum said:

Dingle81 said:

I do find things like this interesting, on a point like below...
"while the wife was caring for their joint child and therefore not in a position to make similar savings.", the wife in this situation could of just as easily worked full time and saved money, it seems the husband is being punished for not saying from the outset  'no, I work full time so you do the same'

OK, so the wife works - should she then be the one paying the childcare costs? if they are sharing them, in this situation they would both have been poorer.
A nursery costs ~£250 a week - which has to be earned after tax. if you're in a NMW job then you'd just about break even. pretty much your whole wages going on childcare, so no savings to be gained there. Obviously if she was in some highly paid job (which burlingtonfl6 believes most women aren't able to get) it would be a different calculation - but then I would expect husband to be doing 50% of household jobs and any extras.
Doesn't sound very "fair" to me

Statistics prove that men earn more (on average) because they work in the Stem sector and work in more dangerous environments. Women have the choice to do the same but when given that choice they choose not to. Studies in the countries with more ''gender equality'' prove this.
https://www.thejournal.ie/gender-equality-countries-stem-girls-3848156-Feb2018/
Nothing wrong with this fact, people are free to choose but they shouldn't complain about the outcome of their choices

Interesting that you should pick that as an example.  I work in STEM and my partner works in business management and earns more than I do! STEM is notoriously badly paid!
Men do earn more than women on average, but not hugely so (~8% - this gap is lower for those under 40 years old)  - average UK full time wage is ~£30,000 (Source: here) and if you are earning £80k per year you are in the top 5% of earners, so I doubt there really are these plethora of high earning men choosing to marry, have children with and then divorce waitresses (or other jobs you consider menial!) although if there are, they are also free to choose this, but they also shouldn't complain about the outcome of their choices...

Men know the world isn't fair. If you choose to marry someone and she takes you to the cleaners, tough.
But what is happening is men are choosing not to get married. Marriage rates are at a historic low.
''Marriage rates for opposite-sex couples are now at the lowest level on record. This continues a gradual long-term decline seen since the early 1970s, with numbers falling by a third over the past 40 years.''

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/marriagecohabitationandcivilpartnerships/bulletins/marriagesinenglandandwalesprovisional/2017
And it's men who chose to get married, not women. Women are the gatekeepers to sex, men are the gatekeepers to marriage.

I'm actually surprised people are denying this is true. Sure, it's a stereotype, although one based on fact and there will always be exceptions. Also it obviously takes both partners to agree to marriage and sex for that matter. However, in the majority of cases it is the man who proposes and therefore by extension he is the one who makes the decision to. 

While I don't agree with a lot of burlingtons posts in regards to gender specifics in employment a lot of what he says regarding dating/relationships is pretty spot on, tradition very much still reigns here.

Saying that I wouldn't personally date a waitress or any low earner for that matter. I'd want someone with similar levels of earning potential as myself, otherwise it has the potential to get messy.

mason's_mum

burlingtonfl6 said: 

Basically, men don't care about how well educated she is, or how well off she is, or the struggles she's been through.
But we will happily be interested in someone who works at a take away if we find her attractive. Women date on their level financially or above. (in general)
Average women now expect above average men. Take height for an example. The vast majority of women would prefer a man over 6ft ( I know, you'll say it's no big deal but men know it is) but only around 15% of the male population is over this height and thats before you factor in those men already taken etc.
You're average, but you've been told that you deserve better. The truth is, nobody deserves anything.
80% of women want the top 20% of men, even though you're not in the top 20% of women (I'm not either)
The internet is awash with young women complaining about the way things are.
Here's a clip I just found on youtube. A female doctor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY5c3p1ZMd4&t=222s
The dating market is flooded with over 30 women who are annoyed that men their age aren't playing the game anymore.
Men are attracted to youth and beauty and someone with hasn't slept around, women are attracted to height, ambition, status, wealth, looks etc etc. 
Women still want a traditional man......but try suggesting they should be traditional women!
Anyway, I wish you all the best, make sure you feed your cats and take of yourself.

just out of interest how can you tell from a dating profile whether a woman has slept around?!
Also the dating market is full of 30 something and upwards men who think it's appropriate to send people pictures of their p*nises. It's awful for all concerned, and I'm so glad that I hopefully never have to go through that cattle market again!
ps, I don't have any cats!

Gavin83

mason's_mum said:

burlingtonfl6 said: 

Basically, men don't care about how well educated she is, or how well off she is, or the struggles she's been through.
But we will happily be interested in someone who works at a take away if we find her attractive. Women date on their level financially or above. (in general)
Average women now expect above average men. Take height for an example. The vast majority of women would prefer a man over 6ft ( I know, you'll say it's no big deal but men know it is) but only around 15% of the male population is over this height and thats before you factor in those men already taken etc.
You're average, but you've been told that you deserve better. The truth is, nobody deserves anything.
80% of women want the top 20% of men, even though you're not in the top 20% of women (I'm not either)
The internet is awash with young women complaining about the way things are.
Here's a clip I just found on youtube. A female doctor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY5c3p1ZMd4&t=222s
The dating market is flooded with over 30 women who are annoyed that men their age aren't playing the game anymore.
Men are attracted to youth and beauty and someone with hasn't slept around, women are attracted to height, ambition, status, wealth, looks etc etc. 
Women still want a traditional man......but try suggesting they should be traditional women!
Anyway, I wish you all the best, make sure you feed your cats and take of yourself.

just out of interest how can you tell from a dating profile whether a woman has slept around?!

You can't and honestly there isn't actually a way of knowing full stop so it seems a silly criteria to have for a potential partner.

es5595

burlingtonfl6 said:

You're average, but you've been told that you deserve better. The truth is, nobody deserves anything.

80% of women want the top 20% of men, even though you're not in the top 20% of women (I'm not either)

The dating market is flooded with over 30 women who are annoyed that men their age aren't playing the game anymore.
Men are attracted to youth and beauty

Everyone has been told they deserve someone better, the actual successful relationships are where they both believe the other person is better than them. 

Men are evolutionally attracted to youth and beauty (because then they’d produce lots of children), and women to someone who will take care of them (and all their children). 

However now women are more than able to looking after them selves (and will do so in ever increasing numbers as the gender pay gap closes) as well as realising how liberating it is to only have oneself to look after, not babies and a man-child, there are fewer and fewer “mates” for the men who do with to couple up, leaving them to have to really be doing well if they want one. 

Sadly this leaves a large volume of sad and unwanted men who never shaped up quickly enough, or failed to realise what a woman wants and rather than look at their own faults want to blame other people. 

OP, I highly doubt that will be signed off by a judge, without explicit reasoning, as has been highlighted to why one party is taking home a smaller portion of the equity in the marriage whilst also having reduced prospects.