Is this fraud?

HampshireH

Pollycat said:

AskAsk said:

yes it is fraud.  the benefits people will also find out soon enough.  they have access to almost everything if they start an investigation.

I've found this on one of the Google search websites:

Who will be notified of my personal injury claim?

As soon as you make a claim for compensation, the insurance company receiving your claim will inform the government via the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).

The DWP will also be notified by the insurer of any interim payments made to you, and again when your compensation is paid in full.

As soon as your financial circumstances change, it is up to you to tell your benefits agency. If you do not tell them, you are at risk of committing fraud.

https://www.quittance.co.uk/personal-injury/advice/general/does-injury-compensation-affect-my-state-benefits

So it's quite possible that the DWP know about your daughter's claim and the fact that she is about to receive money that may affect her benefits.

I hope the above is sufficient for your daughter to tell her Dad that his suggestion is pants.

It's so good that a safeguard like this is in place! 

OP if you needed to ask the question I think you already knew the answer

adonis

Sounds like someone should be investigating the fathers financial affairs,

Spendless

HampshireH said:

Pollycat said:

AskAsk said:

yes it is fraud.  the benefits people will also find out soon enough.  they have access to almost everything if they start an investigation.

I've found this on one of the Google search websites:

Who will be notified of my personal injury claim?

As soon as you make a claim for compensation, the insurance company receiving your claim will inform the government via the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP).

The DWP will also be notified by the insurer of any interim payments made to you, and again when your compensation is paid in full.

As soon as your financial circumstances change, it is up to you to tell your benefits agency. If you do not tell them, you are at risk of committing fraud.

https://www.quittance.co.uk/personal-injury/advice/general/does-injury-compensation-affect-my-state-benefits

So it's quite possible that the DWP know about your daughter's claim and the fact that she is about to receive money that may affect her benefits.

I hope the above is sufficient for your daughter to tell her Dad that his suggestion is pants.

It's so good that a safeguard like this is in place! 

OP if you needed to ask the question I think you already knew the answer

She says in her opening posts that she wants evidence to show her daughter 'Knowing' as in suspecting in your own mind and having official  concrete proof to provide to another party are different things.

sassyblue

PinkPJs said:

DCFC79 said:

PinkPJs said:

Sorry if this is wrong place to post.
My daughter had a head-on collision in July 2016 and was encouraged by the hospital to take the person to court on a no win, no fee case. She is due to get her money soon. Her father is pressuring her into opening a fake business account to out her money in and he says she can then still claim benefits. 
I am sure this is fraud but I need to get proof so I can show my daughter. She thinks it is fraud too but I want solid proof.
He has done this already with his girlfriend's inheritance while they live together and claim benefits. 

No if it sounds dodgy then its dodgy.
If she had a legit need to claim benefits then do so by the proper channels.
I cant provide proof but Im sure other posters will do so.

By law, as she is currently claiming benefits, once her payment from this case arrives, she must declare it to the benefits system and then live on her payment until it has been spent.  His idea of creating a fake business account would mean that she would still claim benefits, including Housing Benefit, Council Tax Benefit and PIP.  So in essence, she will have her £xxx,xxx.xx in another account AS WELL as her benefits.  Which in my eyes is fraud and if she is caught could potentially be an imprisonable offence.  (We both have ASD so we are very, very honest and this does not sit well with either of us).  I don't think she will do this but I want proof that this is illegal so I can show her.

Why do you need proof. Surely everyone knows you can’t claim money from the government whilst you have a certain amount stashed away? 

I don’t think you'd be able to open a business account anyway without proof of a business.

You've asked if it’s illegal because you know it is really, and everyone here is confirming the same. It would be theft of public money and is punishable by a prison sentence.  There is just no way round it.

maxsteam

Of course doing anything with fake accounts is fraud. I think that the question that you want to ask is whether she will get away with it.

d2446679

Yes it's fraud (reasons as others have explained). [Morally I would be reporting the existing benefit fraud (that he's already alleged to have done with the gf's inheritance) to the authorities such as HMRC etc but that's up to you..]

What concerns me and the replies didn't touch on is the wording in your OP - he has "pressured" her to do this? [Did he similarly "pressure" his gf - I wonder - food for thought], depending on what that consists of I wonder if there is also a coercion aspect to this especially if she is potentially vulnerable. It wasn't clear if pressure meant something like "why don't you do this scheme, that way you can still keep your benefits and the tax man won't get his hands on your settlement he he he" to "you'd better do this and if you don't....." How often and how forcefully is he pushing her into this in other words.

JIL

Look up the compensation recovery unit. You may find that the dwp will be one step ahead.