We'd like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum... Read More »
PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING: Hello Forumites! In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non-MoneySaving matters are not permitted per the Forum rules. While we understand that mentioning house prices may sometimes be relevant to a user's specific MoneySaving situation, we ask that you please avoid veering into broad, general debates about the market, the economy and politics, as these can unfortunately lead to abusive or hateful behaviour. Threads that are found to have derailed into wider discussions may be removed. Users who repeatedly disregard this may have their Forum account banned. Please also avoid posting personally identifiable information, including links to your own online property listing which may reveal your address. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
Special Condition?
Options

goodValue
Posts: 481 Forumite

In my purchase contract, a special condition has been added:
The transfer to the buyer shall contain a provision that the covenant by the seller under section 4(1) (b) of the Law of Property
(Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1994 is modified so that the seller is not liable for any subsisting breach of a condition or lessee's obligation relating to the physical state of the property which renders the lease liable to forfeiture.
Could someone please explain what this means, and are there any important implications.
0
Comments
-
For starters, presumably by this stage you've been told what the lease says - so is there "any subsisting breach of a condition or lessee's obligation relating to the physical state of the property"?0
-
If the solicitor has specifically added that condition, I suspect there might be a specific reason.
i.e. The seller has or hasn't done something which breaches the lease - and could result in the lease being forfeited (i.e. the freeholder could repossess the flat).
It could be that they haven't maintained/repaired the flat as required by the lease; or they've altered the flat in contravention of the lease; or they haven't laid carpet; or something else.
If you don't already know what they are referring to, perhaps ask your solicitor to make a pre-contract enquiry along the lines of "Is the seller aware of any subsisting breaches of any conditions or lessee's obligations in relation to the lease?"
2 -
It was the vagueness of the phrase that threw me.Thanks for the excellenct advice.0
-
Just another thought - is the property being sold by somebody who has never lived in the property - like an executer or lender?
In that case, it may be because they don't know anything about the property and maybe haven't inspected the property thoroughly, and so can't be sure if anything has been done that breaches the lease.
In that case, it would be up to you to inspect the property and check.
0 -
The vendor has lived there for ten years.
0 -
Having read the Condition a number of times now, it seems to be saying:if the seller has done something wrong, and has not yet been caught, then the buyer becomes responsible and can lose his/her leaseIf so, why would a buyer agree to such a condition?0
-
goodValue said:Having read the Condition a number of times now, it seems to be saying:if the seller has done something wrong, and has not yet been caught, then the buyer becomes responsible and can lose his/her leaseIf so, why would a buyer agree to such a condition?
The question is firstly are there any such breaches?1 -
goodValue said:Having read the Condition a number of times now, it seems to be saying:if the seller has done something wrong, and has not yet been caught, then the buyer becomes responsible and can lose his/her leaseIf so, why would a buyer agree to such a condition?
Yes - in theory, that's correct.
But you could say that in practice, it means...
If the seller has done something which breaches the lease, and if the freeholder finds out (perhaps because a neighbour complains), and if the freeholder decides to start enforcement action, you will have to discontinue the breach. If you refuse to discontinue the breach, the freeholder might take legal action, and if you still refuse, ultimately you could lose the lease.
So for example,- If the breach was taking up carpets and laying laminate floors, you'd have to discontinue the breach re-laying carpet. (Some people might decide that they're happy to take that risk. i.e. Stick with the laminate floor and hope that nobody complains.)
- If the breach was failing to maintain or repair the flat according to the lease - you'd have to do the required maintenance/repairs
- If the breach was doing alterations/improvements without the freeholder's consent - you'd have to either get consent, or undo the alterations. (This can be a bit of a complex area. It depends on what the lease says, and what alterations/improvements have been done.)
But that still involves cost and hassle. So it's worth making the pre-contract enquiry I mentioned in the previous post, asking about breaches of the lease - and checking the lease versus the property yourself.
1 -
I had already asked the solicitor to make an enquiry about this, though they previously had not been very helpful in explaining the issue.I think I am beginning to understand the situation better now. When I realised that forfeiting the lease meant that you could lose the entire purchase price, the condition seemed non-sensical.However, the new owner would have the opportunity to correct the breach before losing the property - is that correct?I can see that the condition may have use for minor breaches, but is very one-sided if there is a breach that would be very costly to remedy.I know I will now have to look up the conditions in the lease, but are there any particular breaches that have proved difficult/impossible to remedy?0
Confirm your email address to Create Threads and Reply

Categories
- All Categories
- 351.2K Banking & Borrowing
- 253.2K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
- 453.7K Spending & Discounts
- 244.2K Work, Benefits & Business
- 599.3K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
- 177.1K Life & Family
- 257.7K Travel & Transport
- 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
- 16.2K Discuss & Feedback
- 37.6K Read-Only Boards