Cowboy Builder

Jeepers_Creepers

couriervanman said:

"We had a very close friend who was a builder"...doesn't stop him being a cowboy plus dropping cash around to make things easier........nobody else to blame OP but yourself, did you check his work/references/recommendations etc

Nobody else? I can think of someone.

Doozergirl

Jeepers_Creepers said:

couriervanman said:

"We had a very close friend who was a builder"...doesn't stop him being a cowboy plus dropping cash around to make things easier........nobody else to blame OP but yourself, did you check his work/references/recommendations etc

Nobody else? I can think of someone.

None of it needed to happen.  Someone chose to use someone they knew was a criminal before they started and chose to ignore 'many' other people's advice. 

What could possibly go wrong?! 

George_Michael

Risteard said:

asiablue67 said:

(Please note: he told us that it would be better to pay him in cash because if we paid the normal way he would have to add VAT which would mean that it would cost a lot more) we opted for cash. (I know ....stupid)

So you publicly admit to the commission of a crime (tax fraud) but want to blame everything on your alleged former friend?

Isn't suggesting that people ignore the legal requirement to wear a face covering in certain places also encouraging the commission of a crime? (under the Health protection (coronavirus, wearing of face coverings in a relevant place) (England) Regulations 2020?

Risteard said:

It's simple totalitarianism to mandate people to wear a rag over their face and could never be a lawful requirement. 

Risteard said:

The best solution is not to go around wearing stupid gas masks and just breathe normally and freely.

Risteard

George_Michael said:

Risteard said:

asiablue67 said:

(Please note: he told us that it would be better to pay him in cash because if we paid the normal way he would have to add VAT which would mean that it would cost a lot more) we opted for cash. (I know ....stupid)

So you publicly admit to the commission of a crime (tax fraud) but want to blame everything on your alleged former friend?

Isn't suggesting that people ignore the legal requirement to wear a face covering in certain places also encouraging the commission of a crime? (under the Health protection (coronavirus, wearing of face coverings in a relevant place) (England) Regulations 2020?

Risteard said:

It's simple totalitarianism to mandate people to wear a rag over their face and could never be a lawful requirement. 

Risteard said:

The best solution is not to go around wearing stupid gas masks and just breathe normally and freely.

No, because I clearly pointed out that such a diktat is indeed unlawful. You cannot be compelled to observe unlawful totalitarian diktats. The issuance of such diktats is the criminal offence in these cases (and a very serious crime at that, namely Treason).

fenwick458

Ok i've read and considered all the posts, I'm still certain that blame lies on both sides.
every time I watch programmes on TV about situations like this (eg dominic littlewood ) I always think that there is another side of the story to tell, like for example, the customer wants to pay the absolute lowest price possible and take a load of risks. well, this is what could happen if you take those risks in order to save some money

George_Michael

Risteard said:

George_Michael said:

Risteard said:

asiablue67 said:

(Please note: he told us that it would be better to pay him in cash because if we paid the normal way he would have to add VAT which would mean that it would cost a lot more) we opted for cash. (I know ....stupid)

So you publicly admit to the commission of a crime (tax fraud) but want to blame everything on your alleged former friend?

Isn't suggesting that people ignore the legal requirement to wear a face covering in certain places also encouraging the commission of a crime? (under the Health protection (coronavirus, wearing of face coverings in a relevant place) (England) Regulations 2020?

Risteard said:

It's simple totalitarianism to mandate people to wear a rag over their face and could never be a lawful requirement. 

Risteard said:

The best solution is not to go around wearing stupid gas masks and just breathe normally and freely.

No, because I clearly pointed out that such a diktat is indeed unlawful. You cannot be compelled to observe unlawful totalitarian diktats. The issuance of such diktats is the criminal offence in these cases (and a very serious crime at that, namely Treason).

You voiced an opinion that it was unlawful. That doesn't make it a fact.
How can it be unlawful if it is statutory legislation?
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Wearing of Face Coverings in a Relevant Place) (England) Regulations 2020 (legislation.gov.uk)

Jeepers_Creepers

fenwick458 said:

Ok i've read and considered all the posts, I'm still certain that blame lies on both sides.
every time I watch programmes on TV about situations like this (eg dominic littlewood ) I always think that there is another side of the story to tell, like for example, the customer wants to pay the absolute lowest price possible and take a load of risks. well, this is what could happen if you take those risks in order to save some money

I don't think anyone on here has suggested that there isn't liability/culpability on both sides - even the OP has acknowledged this.

The first few threads just seemed to focus excessively on the admittedly foolish behaviour of the poster, rather than the utterly shocking behaviour of the builder.

Schadenfreude is seemingly alive and well :-)  

Rosa_Damascena

Jeepers_Creepers said:

fenwick458 said:

Ok i've read and considered all the posts, I'm still certain that blame lies on both sides.
every time I watch programmes on TV about situations like this (eg dominic littlewood ) I always think that there is another side of the story to tell, like for example, the customer wants to pay the absolute lowest price possible and take a load of risks. well, this is what could happen if you take those risks in order to save some money

I don't think anyone on here has suggested that there isn't liability/culpability on both sides - even the OP has acknowledged this.

The first few threads just seemed to focus excessively on the admittedly foolish behaviour of the poster, rather than the utterly shocking behaviour of the builder.

Schadenfreude is seemingly alive and well :-)  

I'm not sure that anyone's delighting in the OP's pitiful situation.

Jeepers_Creepers

Rosa_Damascena said:

I'm not sure that anyone's delighting in the OP's pitiful situation.

...cough... :-)  

fenwick458

yes I see what you are getting at, but I'm not.
maybe if this is highlighted then a few more people might take note, and then in turn not be so careless when getting work done on their house, and then hopefully they don't end up in the same situation as the OP