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castle96

Hi,
I am British/born here/British passport. Father British. Mother was German, came here 1947, naturalised/Citizen/British passport, about 1950.
My sons have asked if they can get a German/EU passport for more freedom of travel in the future. Seems? to work with an Irish passport ? What would I need to prove? Would I need to get a German passport for them to have one? Tia

196055

Ireland is a different country though.

I don;t even think you can claim citizenship, which makes me think your sons can't.

You'd need to do your own research though.

From the federal foreign office

German passports are only issued to German citizens. Having German ancestors resp. the fact that your father and/or your mother was/were born in Germany is unfortunately not enough to attain German citizenship. Rather, your father and/or mother have to have been German citizens at the time of your birth. If you were born before 1 January 1975 and your parents were married, you only attained German citizenship if your father was German at the time of your birth or if your parents submitted a declaration by 31 December 1977 stating they wanted German citizenship for their child.

Sandtree

Acquiring German Citizenship - Federal Foreign Office (diplo.de)

Did your mother retain her german nationality when becoming british? As far as I am aware britain has always allowed dual nationality but have no idea about germany. 

If she did, when was you born? If it was after 1/1/1975 then you are automatically German. 

If you are automatically german then you could have made them german by registering them before their first birthday. Having not done this then your kids are not german and are unlikely to be able to claim nationality without moving to and living in the country for a fair number of years.

Each country has totally different rules and the fact that Ireland recognises grandchildren doesnt mean any other country has to follow suit. 

silvercar

196055 said:

Ireland is a different country though.

I don;t even think you can claim citizenship, which makes me think your sons can't.

You'd need to do your own research though.

From the federal foreign office

German passports are only issued to German citizens. Having German ancestors resp. the fact that your father and/or your mother was/were born in Germany is unfortunately not enough to attain German citizenship. Rather, your father and/or mother have to have been German citizens at the time of your birth. If you were born before 1 January 1975 and your parents were married, you only attained German citizenship if your father was German at the time of your birth or if your parents submitted a declaration by 31 December 1977 stating they wanted German citizenship for their child.

There are exceptions if your mother lost her German citizenship as a result of nazi activity.

Sandtree

silvercar said:
There are exceptions if your mother lost her German citizenship as a result of nazi activity.

That is presumably only if they were born after 1975 or before and to unmarried parents? The Federal Foreign Office seems to suggest pre1975 it is only your father's nationality that mattered if your parents were married

silvercar

Sandtree said:

silvercar said:
There are exceptions if your mother lost her German citizenship as a result of nazi activity.

That is presumably only if they were born after 1975 or before and to unmarried parents? The Federal Foreign Office seems to suggest pre1975 it is only your father's nationality that mattered if your parents were married

I don’t know I’m sorry. I do know that the embassy is very helpful in these circumstances, it would be worth asking them.

196055

Question to ask is

"Had the primary claimant of the naturalization claim not been deprived of his/her German citizenship, would his/her descendants have acquired citizenship by birth according to the applicable German law of citizenship?"

Answer to that would be no, as the father was British. It wouldn't matter if the mother had lost her status.

However, Children born out of wedlock to a German mother after Jan. 1, 1914 acquired German citizenship.

You assume married.

silvercar

196055 said:

Question to ask is

"Had the primary claimant of the naturalization claim not been deprived of his/her German citizenship, would his/her descendants have acquired citizenship by birth according to the applicable German law of citizenship?"

Answer to that would be no, as the father was British. It wouldn't matter if the mother had lost her status.

However, Children born out of wedlock to a German mother after Jan. 1, 1914 acquired German citizenship.

You assume married.

It can be more nuanced than that eg is the marriage one that would be recognised by the German authorities? Is there a chance, if history had been different, that the married couple would have lived in Germany? Always worth an enquiry.