Work in School - should I work my contract?

Iamdebtfree

bartelbe said:

KatrinaWaves said:

Are you being paid by how many times you say British and Britain? Can I have some British money if I say those words too.

Britain. British. Rule Britannia!

Oh dear, is that really the best you can come up to defend your belief in presentism?

What people like yourself don't get, is the number of hours an employee works doesn't matter. What matter is how much useful output they produce.

bartelbe said:

KatrinaWaves said:

Are you being paid by how many times you say British and Britain? Can I have some British money if I say those words too.

Britain. British. Rule Britannia!

Oh dear, is that really the best you can come up to defend your belief in presentism?

What people like yourself don't get, is the number of hours an employee works doesn't matter. What matter is how much useful output they produce.

I could not agree more. For this specific situation, absolutely. We're not talking about police or A&E here. 

That is my whole point re complete pointlessness of most offices with the IT systems being what they are in 2021. I absolutely positively dread going back to sitting at a desk in an ugly corporate (waste of) space surrounded by people I can't stand for 8 hours every day when my actual job can be done from home in less than half the time. Before anyone says 'but they pay you for 8 hours', I cover weekends and public/own holidays for absolutely no pay whatsoever - essentially wasting my life on stuff I don't remotely want to do, so it all balances itself out.

I firmly believe offices are a pointless relic and should be left where they belong - in the distant past of landlines and faxes.

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I could not agree more. For this specific situation, absolutely. We're not talking about police or A&E here. 

That is my whole point re complete pointlessness of most offices with the IT systems being what they are in 2021. I absolutely positively dread going back to sitting at a desk in an ugly corporate (waste of) space surrounded by people I can't stand for 8 hours every day when my actual job can be done from home in less than half the time. Before anyone says 'but they pay you for 8 hours', I cover weekends and public/own holidays for absolutely no pay whatsoever - essentially wasting my life on stuff I don't remotely want to do, so it all balances itself out.

I firmly believe offices are a pointless relic and should be left where they belong - in the distant past of landlines and faxes. Ok but what about someone who works in a warehouse type office and has to speak to (I know communication = old fashioned, shock horror!) someone to get goods moving? The office CCTV shows you the goods in stock that day.... With the level of face to face communication which went toward best service for the customer in a family owned firm I saw at a recent trial day/working interview, I began to get some roles just can't be done from home. Sorry OP for speaking out of turn - appreciate this isn't the subject of your thread. I just think all this must be entitled to work from home isn't black and white and it is just storing quite some problems for the future. I know when I considered a remote job which turned out to be shift work (ugh) I also felt quite differently towards it.

Iamdebtfree

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Ok but what about someone who works in a warehouse type office and has to speak to (I know communication = old fashioned, shock horror!) someone to get goods moving? The office CCTV shows you the goods in stock that day.... With the level of face to face communication which went toward best service for the customer in a family owned firm I saw at a recent trial day/working interview, I began to get some roles just can't be done from home. Sorry OP for speaking out of turn - appreciate this isn't the subject of your thread. I just think all this must be entitled to work from home isn't black and white and it is just storing quite some problems for the future. I know when I considered a remote job which turned out to be shift work (ugh) I also felt quite differently towards it.   
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I get it, I do. I was talking about corporate offices which in my humble opinion exist primarily for ego maniac wealth obsessed C-suite toffs to show off their 100 grand cars and listen to the sound of their own voices droning on about how brilliant they are in pointless six hour meetings. UGH!

toshkininny

Thanks all, some of it a bit off topic (!) and some of you missing the point I'm trying to make.  There's a pandemic, I am working in a school, I've finished my job, any online stuff I can do at home with a laptop.  Boris says if you can work from home, etc. I'm not work shy, I will happily stay until 6pm in normal circumstances as I am paid until then, but this is a different world we are living in at the moment and being pre-diabetic I'm concerned about mixing with (allbeit) keyworkers' children.  I don't want to spend a minute longer anywhere else in an environment where I could inadvertently touch something that has been used by someone -asymptomatic, for example.

KatrinaWaves

toshkininny said:

Thanks all, some of it a bit off topic (!) and some of you missing the point I'm trying to make.  There's a pandemic, I am working in a school, I've finished my job, any online stuff I can do at home with a laptop.  I'm not work shy, I will happily stay until 6pm in normal circumstances as I am paid until then, but this is a different world we are living in at the moment and being pre-diabetic I'm concerned about mixing with (allbeit) keyworkers' children.

So do you want to do your job or not?

You are complaining about both doing your job (being with the kids) and then also complaining that the kids are going home early and youre left alone.If you complain too much theres nothing to do, there is always things to be done in a school I promise. They will find you something.

As we have stated there are multiple examples which may include a parent needing to bring a child back, or come back to discuss something or pick up something left behind. Yes this may happen once in a blue moon but unless they start saying 'once you pick your kid up you cant come back even if we are within our opening times' then you will be required to be present just in case of an issue.

Full Diabetes is on the vulnerable list, so I am sure being pre diabetic isnt much more vulnerable than any other issues.

toshkininny

KatrinaWaves said:

toshkininny said:

Thanks all, some of it a bit off topic (!) and some of you missing the point I'm trying to make.  There's a pandemic, I am working in a school, I've finished my job, any online stuff I can do at home with a laptop.  I'm not work shy, I will happily stay until 6pm in normal circumstances as I am paid until then, but this is a different world we are living in at the moment and being pre-diabetic I'm concerned about mixing with (allbeit) keyworkers' children.

So do you want to do your job or not?

You are complaining about both doing your job (being with the kids) and then also complaining that the kids are going home early and youre left alone.If you complain too much theres nothing to do, there is always things to be done in a school I promise. They will find you something.

As we have stated there are multiple examples which may include a parent needing to bring a child back, or come back to discuss something or pick up something left behind. Yes this may happen once in a blue moon but unless they start saying 'once you pick your kid up you cant come back even if we are within our opening times' then you will be required to be present just in case of an issue.

Full Diabetes is on the vulnerable list, so I am sure being pre diabetic isnt much more vulnerable than any other issues.

KatrinaWaves said:

toshkininny said:

Thanks all, some of it a bit off topic (!) and some of you missing the point I'm trying to make.  There's a pandemic, I am working in a school, I've finished my job, any online stuff I can do at home with a laptop.  I'm not work shy, I will happily stay until 6pm in normal circumstances as I am paid until then, but this is a different world we are living in at the moment and being pre-diabetic I'm concerned about mixing with (allbeit) keyworkers' children.

So do you want to do your job or not?

You are complaining about both doing your job (being with the kids) and then also complaining that the kids are going home early and youre left alone.If you complain too much theres nothing to do, there is always things to be done in a school I promise. They will find you something.

As we have stated there are multiple examples which may include a parent needing to bring a child back, or come back to discuss something or pick up something left behind. Yes this may happen once in a blue moon but unless they start saying 'once you pick your kid up you cant come back even if we are within our opening times' then you will be required to be present just in case of an issue.

Full Diabetes is on the vulnerable list, so I am sure being pre diabetic isnt much more vulnerable than any other issues.

 I've done my job of looking after the children.  Do you have kids in an After School Club?  Just wondering because you seem to be unaware on how it works, and how bubbles work in a school - you stay in a bubble, so I cannot go and "find work" in different bubbles.  And I don't think I am complaining , I am asking a question!  People don't pick up children and then drop them back -  that's not how club works and I think most school run clubs wouldn't do that either.  They don't "come back to discuss stuff" , all schools have an appointment system for that sort of thing. 

KatrinaWaves

No I dont have children, I was however until very recently a primary school teacher, who had frequent returnees for all matter of things, lunchboxes, homework, coats, to discuss bumps on their head etc. 

When I say find you other work, I dont mean in another bubble. Theyll have you tidying cupboards and whatever other non contact things they can find if you make a fuss about having nothing to do and therefore have to go home.

I would expect my TA's to be there for the children and parents when they are being paid to do so.

wilfred30

You haven't answered my question about whether you would be prepared to lose 30-40 minutes pay in order to leave early.  It's a simple yes or no.  

bartelbe

wilfred30 said:

You haven't answered my question about whether you would be prepared to lose 30-40 minutes pay in order to leave early.  It's a simple yes or no.  

She is available to cover for those hours, which is why she should be paid for them.

Personally I think it is daft to have someone hanging around for no reason but if you disagree, fair enough

wilfred30

She wouldn't be 'available' if she went home though would she?