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Folding disability scooters and VAT question
Also does anyone know or can help me find out if long covid is considered valid for the disability VAT exemption on these scooters? The rules I can find are very vague and my GP are only accepting medical emergency calls until the holiday season is over.
Thank you for any help.
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This was taken from this link. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/reliefs-from-vat-for-disabled-and-older-people-notice-7017#customer
3.2 Supplies to disabled people
You can only zero rate supplies to disabled people when the:
- person is ‘chronically sick or disabled’
- goods or services are eligible for VAT relief – see section 4
- goods and services are bought or acquired for their personal or domestic use – see paragraph 3.4
3.2.1 What ‘chronically sick or disabled’ means
A person is ‘chronically sick or disabled’ if they are a person with a:
- physical or mental impairment which has a long-term and substantial adverse effect on their ability to carry out everyday activities
- condition which the medical profession treats as a chronic sickness, such as diabetes
It does not include an elderly person who is not disabled or chronically sick or any person who’s only temporarily disabled or incapacitated, such as with a broken limb.
Folding scooters certainly aren't cheap. I've been disabled for over 10 years and a figure of around £1,000 maybe slightly less, depending on what exactly you want. https://www.mobilitysolutions.co.uk/product-category/scooters/folding-scooters/
Folding scooters vary in price depending on what exactly you want. A quick google search brought up these links.
https://www.careco.co.uk/cat-ms17/folding-mobility-scooters.htm
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Folding scooters or boot scooters as they are sometimes know can be bought brand new for well under £1000 depending on the spec.
https://www.ableworld.co.uk/8786-boot-scooters.aspx#
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It would be worth checking with your local bus company what their stance is on folding scooters on buses. Also bear in mind that you're going to have to get it on and off the bus, and that sounds as if it would be beyond you right now. Is it too far to go all the way on a scooter?Signature removed for peace of mind0
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A bus should be accessible for a scooter, either with being able to lower the entrance or with a ramp that folds out from the floor. By law they should have a space for the scooter. You can find the dimensions for the minimum legal space online.
There are often second-hand scooters for sale, but that's a whole extra level of research I think.
In terms of scooter models, it is best if you can get some professional advice and try things out to see what best suits - even if you then look for something second-hand.
OP I hope you find something suitable, though I wouldn't be rushing back to work. You need to work within your body's limitations, resting when you need to, and not pushing yourself to do any more than you can. Pushing too hard will prolong any recovery. That said, having the option of some independence is hugely liberating regardless of work so definitely recommended, if you are able to!1 -
What is the definition of "LONG TERM" ?poppy12345 said:This was taken from this link. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/reliefs-from-vat-for-disabled-and-older-people-notice-7017#customer3.2 Supplies to disabled people
You can only zero rate supplies to disabled people when the:
- person is ‘chronically sick or disabled’
- goods or services are eligible for VAT relief – see section 4
- goods and services are bought or acquired for their personal or domestic use – see paragraph 3.4
3.2.1 What ‘chronically sick or disabled’ means
A person is ‘chronically sick or disabled’ if they are a person with a:
- physical or mental impairment which has a long-term and substantial adverse effect on their ability to carry out everyday activities
- condition which the medical profession treats as a chronic sickness, such as diabetes
It does not include an elderly person who is not disabled or chronically sick or any person who’s only temporarily disabled or incapacitated, such as with a broken limb.
Folding scooters certainly aren't cheap. I've been disabled for over 10 years and a figure of around £1,000 maybe slightly less, depending on what exactly you want. https://www.mobilitysolutions.co.uk/product-category/scooters/folding-scooters/
Folding scooters vary in price depending on what exactly you want. A quick google search brought up these links.
https://www.careco.co.uk/cat-ms17/folding-mobility-scooters.html
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50Twuncle said:
What is the definition of "LONG TERM" ?poppy12345 said:This was taken from this link. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/reliefs-from-vat-for-disabled-and-older-people-notice-7017#customer3.2 Supplies to disabled people
You can only zero rate supplies to disabled people when the:
- person is ‘chronically sick or disabled’
- goods or services are eligible for VAT relief – see section 4
- goods and services are bought or acquired for their personal or domestic use – see paragraph 3.4
3.2.1 What ‘chronically sick or disabled’ means
A person is ‘chronically sick or disabled’ if they are a person with a:
- physical or mental impairment which has a long-term and substantial adverse effect on their ability to carry out everyday activities
- condition which the medical profession treats as a chronic sickness, such as diabetes
It does not include an elderly person who is not disabled or chronically sick or any person who’s only temporarily disabled or incapacitated, such as with a broken limb.
Folding scooters certainly aren't cheap. I've been disabled for over 10 years and a figure of around £1,000 maybe slightly less, depending on what exactly you want. https://www.mobilitysolutions.co.uk/product-category/scooters/folding-scooters/
Folding scooters vary in price depending on what exactly you want. A quick google search brought up these links.
https://www.careco.co.uk/cat-ms17/folding-mobility-scooters.html
I'll let you be the judge of that... i don't make the rules.
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I'm fairly certain the NHS defines chronic symptoms as lasting 3 months or more (though I'm not in a position to look it up at the moment). This would be consistent with the PIP rule of having lasted 3 months before being eligible to apply.0
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poppy12345 said:50Twuncle said:
What is the definition of "LONG TERM" ?poppy12345 said:This was taken from this link. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/reliefs-from-vat-for-disabled-and-older-people-notice-7017#customer3.2 Supplies to disabled people
You can only zero rate supplies to disabled people when the:
- person is ‘chronically sick or disabled’
- goods or services are eligible for VAT relief – see section 4
- goods and services are bought or acquired for their personal or domestic use – see paragraph 3.4
3.2.1 What ‘chronically sick or disabled’ means
A person is ‘chronically sick or disabled’ if they are a person with a:
- physical or mental impairment which has a long-term and substantial adverse effect on their ability to carry out everyday activities
- condition which the medical profession treats as a chronic sickness, such as diabetes
It does not include an elderly person who is not disabled or chronically sick or any person who’s only temporarily disabled or incapacitated, such as with a broken limb.
Folding scooters certainly aren't cheap. I've been disabled for over 10 years and a figure of around £1,000 maybe slightly less, depending on what exactly you want. https://www.mobilitysolutions.co.uk/product-category/scooters/folding-scooters/
Folding scooters vary in price depending on what exactly you want. A quick google search brought up these links.
https://www.careco.co.uk/cat-ms17/folding-mobility-scooters.html
I'll let you be the judge of that... i don't make the rules.Apparently - A long-term effect means something that has affected you or is likely to affect you for at least a year. For example, if you had an operation that will make walking difficult for at least a year, that's long term. Your impairment will still be considered to be long term if the effects are likely to come and go....So the OP may have problems convincing HMRC that long covid lasts that long - although it may well do .....
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I think at 9 months in and still very unwell, it would be hard to argue that there is a high chance of OP having a full recovery within 3 months. And to be honest, by the time HMRC get to checking, they will know for certain whether it's lasting/lasted longer than a year!50Twuncle said:poppy12345 said:50Twuncle said:
What is the definition of "LONG TERM" ?poppy12345 said:This was taken from this link. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/reliefs-from-vat-for-disabled-and-older-people-notice-7017#customer3.2 Supplies to disabled people
You can only zero rate supplies to disabled people when the:
- person is ‘chronically sick or disabled’
- goods or services are eligible for VAT relief – see section 4
- goods and services are bought or acquired for their personal or domestic use – see paragraph 3.4
3.2.1 What ‘chronically sick or disabled’ means
A person is ‘chronically sick or disabled’ if they are a person with a:
- physical or mental impairment which has a long-term and substantial adverse effect on their ability to carry out everyday activities
- condition which the medical profession treats as a chronic sickness, such as diabetes
It does not include an elderly person who is not disabled or chronically sick or any person who’s only temporarily disabled or incapacitated, such as with a broken limb.
Folding scooters certainly aren't cheap. I've been disabled for over 10 years and a figure of around £1,000 maybe slightly less, depending on what exactly you want. https://www.mobilitysolutions.co.uk/product-category/scooters/folding-scooters/
Folding scooters vary in price depending on what exactly you want. A quick google search brought up these links.
https://www.careco.co.uk/cat-ms17/folding-mobility-scooters.html
I'll let you be the judge of that... i don't make the rules.Apparently - A long-term effect means something that has affected you or is likely to affect you for at least a year. For example, if you had an operation that will make walking difficult for at least a year, that's long term. Your impairment will still be considered to be long term if the effects are likely to come and go....So the OP may have problems convincing HMRC that long covid lasts that long - although it may well do .....0 -
Boot scooter is usually one that comes into 4 or 5 parts and can be placed in a car boot, Taking one of these on a bus would be a major undertaking due to their weight.greyteam1959 said:Folding scooters or boot scooters as they are sometimes know can be bought brand new for well under £1000 depending on the spec.
https://www.ableworld.co.uk/8786-boot-scooters.aspx#
Not a recommendation just an example
I think the OP would be looking a a suitcase scooter such as this
https://www.careco.co.uk/item-s-ms01030/careco-scootcase-travel-mobility-scooter
But stability can be a bit of a issue with them. As well as the weight of having to carry it on to & off the bus.
Maybe a powerchair would be better as on a bus they could still sit in it, so long as it has a dedicated wheelchair space.
https://www.careco.co.uk/item-s-wc09903/fenix-powerchair
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