Parking fine after motorbike was stolen!

YT17

Hi everyone, and Merry Christmas.

I've tried to read through the stickied NEWBIE posts, but it is a little bit overwhelming so I'm hoping you'll be able to help.

I received a letter for Trace Debt Management UK Ltd yesterday demanding I pay £160 for a parking charge for when I parked on private land. (It was a block of flats and associated land in a city centre). This is the first letter I have seen, and have not seen any of the previous letters which they assure me they have sent. They are working on behalf of G24 limited, but here is the kicker, my motorbike was stolen and abandoned there whilst I was out of the country.

I appealed to G24 limited and they said that I was outside of the appeal window. I suspect it may be an automated response however, do you think there is any value in sending a separate email to G24 basically saying 'can you have an actual human look at this and not the automated response'?

I have no intention of paying this extortionate fine and looking through a lot of the posts, the advice seems to be ignore (for the most part).

I've looked through the previous posts and as it is only a piece of land, and not a retail outlet, I can't go down the complaints route that way and that fact that it was stolen adds something else in which I haven't seen on these forums.

Can anyone help?

Many thanks.

Le_Kirk

You cannot ignore - that way lies a default CCJ.  You are beyond the appeal deadline but having sent an appeal it looks good to the judge as you tried to resolve the issue.  Write a letter of complaint to G24 explaining your situation, again it looks good if it goes to court.  Don't bother appealing to the IAS, sadly they are tainted in favour of their members!  Keep all letters, ignore debt collectors and wait for the Letter before/of Claim.

D_P_Dance

I've tried to read through the stickied NEWBIE posts, but it is a little bit overwhelming so I'm hoping you'll be able to help.

Please keep reading it until it becomes clear.  It is essential that you understand the process if you wish to contest the charge.  Also complain to your MP?  

Half_way

Do you know where the motorbike was parked/left where it atracted the pakring charge notice?

 If you do then a landowner complaint is a must.

These so called "appeal" windows/times are nothing more than made up limits from the parking companies designed to suit them.

Dear G24, on DATE my vehcile ( motorbike reg number) recieved a parking charge notice isued by yourselves, on that date  was not the driver, as i was out of the country - furhtermore on that date the vehicle was stolen therefore you mist cease processing my data with regards to pursuing this un regulated parking charge notice.

If G24 do not comply with Protection of freedoms act, then you should also tell them that "as you havefailed to meet the requiredments of the  PoFA  yoou must take this up with the driver on the day, and that as you were out of the country this person is/was unkown

Fruitcake

Always complain to the landowner, no matter who they are.

Complain to your MP about this unregulated scam.

Do you know, or have any proof when the bike was stolen, even though you were out the country at the time? Did you report the theft and therefore have a crime number?

Keep complaining to the scammers and the IPC, referring them to the relevant part of the PoFA 2012 about stolen vehicles.

YT17

Le_Kirk said:

You cannot ignore - that way lies a default CCJ.  You are beyond the appeal deadline but having sent an appeal it looks good to the judge as you tried to resolve the issue.  Write a letter of complaint to G24 explaining your situation, again it looks good if it goes to court.  Don't bother appealing to the IAS, sadly they are tainted in favour of their members!  Keep all letters, ignore debt collectors and wait for the Letter before/of Claim.

I more meant just ignore the initial letter from the debt collectors until if/when I get a letter before claim, but thank you for your suggestions, I will write an email to G24 explaining the full situation in the hope that they see sense. If not, at least it looks good if it goes to court like you said!

Thanks for your help.

YT17

Half_way said:

Do you know where the motorbike was parked/left where it atracted the pakring charge notice?

 If you do then a landowner complaint is a must.

These so called "appeal" windows/times are nothing more than made up limits from the parking companies designed to suit them.

Dear G24, on DATE my vehcile ( motorbike reg number) recieved a parking charge notice isued by yourselves, on that date  was not the driver, as i was out of the country - furhtermore on that date the vehicle was stolen therefore you mist cease processing my data with regards to pursuing this un regulated parking charge notice.

If G24 do not comply with Protection of freedoms act, then you should also tell them that "as you havefailed to meet the requiredments of the  PoFA  yoou must take this up with the driver on the day, and that as you were out of the country this person is/was unkown

I do. Even more frustratingly, they moved it about 50 yards down the road before abandoning it.

I will go back to them with your suggestionds and hopefully that will suffice, but further to that you have some good suggestions RE the protection of freedoms act.

Thanks for your help.

YT17

Fruitcake said:

Always complain to the landowner, no matter who they are.

Complain to your MP about this unregulated scam.

Do you know, or have any proof when the bike was stolen, even though you were out the country at the time? Did you report the theft and therefore have a crime number?

Keep complaining to the scammers and the IPC, referring them to the relevant part of the PoFA 2012 about stolen vehicles.

My only issue with this is I wasn't sure who the landowner actually is as it a residential block of flats! Any suggestions on how I might find out?

I'll definitely follow up with a complaint to the MP. 

I do. I have a crime reference number from the police as well as photos showing damage to my bike.

As with the other posted, I will definitely keep the PoFA 2012 in mind should they not accept my challenge. The first email they have responded to was clearly an automated response so I will state my case in my reply and hopefully they will see sense following that.

Many thanks for your help!

Fruitcake

YT17 said:

Fruitcake said:

Always complain to the landowner, no matter who they are.

Complain to your MP about this unregulated scam.

Do you know, or have any proof when the bike was stolen, even though you were out the country at the time? Did you report the theft and therefore have a crime number?

Keep complaining to the scammers and the IPC, referring them to the relevant part of the PoFA 2012 about stolen vehicles.

My only issue with this is I wasn't sure who the landowner actually is as it a residential block of flats! Any suggestions on how I might find out?

I'll definitely follow up with a complaint to the MP. 

I do. I have a crime reference number from the police as well as photos showing damage to my bike.

As with the other posted, I will definitely keep the PoFA 2012 in mind should they not accept my challenge. The first email they have responded to was clearly an automated response so I will state my case in my reply and hopefully they will see sense following that.

Many thanks for your help!

Do more than just keep it in mind. Refer to it in every correspondence. It is not a challenge or an appeal, it is a complaint and a statement of fact, a piece of evidence should this get to court.
You should send a cease and desist notice instructing them to delete your personal data and cease processing it. Give them seven days then complain to the ICO if they fail to comply if the scamvoice isn't cancelled.

Half_way

It is possible to find the landowner, or more than likely the management company if you know the address for teh flats, and then searching on google.

 If you can visit, then there may also be some signage up in cimunal areas that will give clues as to who the management company are. you may find this on the parking company signs under G24 actig for X property management ( although its rare) another plae to look would be any comunal noticeboards.4

once done let us know - in most cases the entityt who allows the PPC onto its land will try and use the fob off "its othing to do with us" in reality the principal ( the ones who allowed the parking company to operate) is/are jointly and severally liable for the actions of their agents

D_P_Dance

Personally, if this happened to me I would send them one letter informing them of the facts, enclosing a copy of the crime report if you have it, and then ignore everything after that.

If they are daft enough to issue av CCC i would immediately counter claim for a breach of data/harassment .  IIMU that a sum of £500 is not rxcessive in these circumstances









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